Property talk:P97

Documentation

noble title
titles held by the person

Represents

noble title (Q355567), princely title (Q106074090)

Data type

Domain

According to this template: persons

According to statements in the property:
human (Q5), legendary figure (Q13002315), fictional character (Q95074), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), position (Q4164871), hereditary position (Q42045197) or family (Q8436)

When possible, data should only be stored as statements

Allowed values

According to this template: rank or title (generally a single item)

According to statements in the property:

When possible, data should only be stored as statements

Example

Diana Cooper (Q128576) → viscountess (Q21104416)
lady (Q1378024)
Tokugawa Taeko (Q6997629) → princess (Q863048)
Mohammed V of Morocco (Q193874) → sultan (Q43292)
François de Vendôme, Duc de Beaufort (Q1347324) → Duke of Beaufort (Q1515469)

Tracking: usage

Category:Pages using Wikidata property P97 (Q23909072)

See also

social classification (P3716), honorific prefix (P511), honorific suffix (P1035)

Lists

Proposal discussion

[not applicable Proposal discussion]

Current uses

Total	73,503
Main statement	72,438	98.6% of uses
Qualifier	1,056	1.4% of uses
Reference	9	<0.1% of uses

Search for values

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Type “human (Q5), legendary figure (Q13002315), fictional character (Q95074), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), position (Q4164871), hereditary position (Q42045197), family (Q8436)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), legendary figure (Q13002315), fictional character (Q95074), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), position (Q4164871), hereditary position (Q42045197), family (Q8436)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Type Q5, Q13002315, Q95074, Q21070598, Q4164871, Q42045197, Q8436, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Value type “noble title (Q355567), fictional office, position, or title (Q21451536), title of honor (Q3320743), nobility of Spain (Q2554364), Portuguese noble title (Q18752016)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value noble title (Q355567), fictional office, position, or title (Q21451536), title of honor (Q3320743), nobility of Spain (Q2554364), Portuguese noble title (Q18752016) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Value type Q355567, Q21451536, Q3320743, Q2554364, Q18752016, SPARQL

Qualifiers “start time (P580), end time (P582), follows (P155), followed by (P156), series ordinal (P1545), conferred by (P1027), of (P642), together with (P1706), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), replaces (P1365), replaced by (P1366), approved by (P790), latest start date (P8555), earliest date (P1319), earliest end date (P8554), latest date (P1326), prize money (P2121), has cause (P828), location (P276), subject named as (P1810), statement is subject of (P805), has characteristic (P1552), object named as (P1932), statement supported by (P3680), end cause (P1534), point in time (P585), sourcing circumstances (P1480)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Princess Delphine of Belgium (Q432537)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL

Conflicts with “given name (P735): Duke (Q28056109), King (Q18508917)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Conflicts with P735, SPARQL

Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (noble title (P97)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Jesus (Q302)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Contemporary, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P97#Scope, SPARQL

This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Deletion discussion

There's a discussion whether this property should be deprecated and deleted at requests for deletion. /Ch1902 (talk) 16:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Undelete

I have undeleted this property per discussion at Wikidata_talk:Notability#Exception_for_titles_of_rulers.2C_nobles.2C_peers_and_chivalric_orders. --Stevenliuyi (talk) 15:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How to populate?

There seem to be quite a lot of lists, categories and navigation boxes at Wikipedia that could be used to populate this field, but none seem to be exactly straightforward.

How could we go about it? --- Jura 07:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Broadened to "hereditary title"

I have broadened the English definition to hereditary title as conceptually that is what we are talking, and royal and noble after that are of variable cultural difference. Even within the UK system baronetcies were not noble titles, just inheritable gentry titles (according to enWP), and there was no collective to assign them. I hope that meets the approval of the community. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To note that for UK, it seems that baronetcies are part of the aristocracy, but not peers/nobles, ie. called to parliament for the House of Lords, which is the simplest difference that I can determine, and for me that makes a very country specific determination that seems less applicable for WD. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is a similar issue with the property "noble family" (Property:P53). --- Jura 14:43, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Creation of title (1st, 2nd, etc)

For https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q202802&lang=en how shall we specify the creation of the title? series ordinal (P1545) can work for the numbering within a creation, but we might need a distinct one to specify the creation. foundational text (P457) or a new item based one could work. --- Jura 17:10, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Use for hereditary non-noble statuses?

Is this property usable for hereditary non-noble statuses? I'm looking for what property to use for kohanim. It's not technically a noble title by most definitions, and doesn't match position held, member of, ethnic group, or anything other properties that I can think of other than instance of (P31). The label of this property has been switched back and forth between noble title and hereditary title, so I can't tell what the domain is supposed to be. --Yair rand (talk) 07:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

hereditary title seems to be ok but only if it include all titles noble and non-noble. Geagea (talk) 09:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

replaces (P1365) / replaced by (P1366)

I added replaces (P1365) / replaced by (P1366) as a allowed qualifiers, because are the correct for personal successions, instead follows (P155) / followed by (P156). However, I keep these because their large use. Amadalvarez (talk) 09:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing P106 by P97

Why is KrBot replacing P106 by P97. There's quite a difference between a person having a noble title and the title of a medieval ruler. Roelof Hendrickx (talk) 00:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is quite a difference between an occupation and a noble title, even a medieval one. Take Count of Nassau-Hadamar (Q94992489) for example: Count of Nassau-Hadamar is not an occupation. Landlord could be an occupation.

In my humble opinion, to be the ruler of a territory is a function (position held (P39)), not an occupation.

Bob08 (talk) 17:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bob08 Problem is that your example was never a noble title. The ruling counts of Nassau-Hadamar had the noble title Count of Nassau.

It wasn't a function either. Those counts were not appointed, they inherited their county. Perhaps occupation isn't correct. But changing it by a bot into noble title for sure doesn't make it better.

If it had been changed into function, I wouldn't have protested. Although I disagree with that too. Roelof Hendrickx (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]