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25 Apr 2007

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Attendees

Present
john-l, FabienG, HarryH, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, +0127368aaaa, DanC, jjc
Regrets
Chair
HarryH
Scribe
Fabien

Contents


 

 

<chimezie> that's the norm for Zakim

<chimezie> Zakim: reset memory

<rreck> no, i am learning Zakim

Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-25T11:00-0400

<HarryH> scribe: Fabien

<HarryH> PROPOSE TO CLOSE WITHOUT DISCUSSION: ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [DONE] in v1.252

<HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG-- 18 Apr 2007 as a true record

<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/att-0091/18-grddl-wg-minutes.html

<HarryH> APPROVED: GRDDL WG-- 18 Apr 2007 as a true record - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/att-0091/18-grddl-wg-minutes.html

<HarryH> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 2 May 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer?

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<HarryH> RReck will scribe next meeting.

GRDDL Spec: Which XHTML documents?

see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0129.html

esp http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/html-and-grddl-xform-attr

<FabienG> Chime: I can suggest text.

<FabienG> jjc: I suggested text but not for the green boxes

<FabienG> DanC: anything about media-types ?

<FabienG> Chime: no.

<FabienG> DanC: test case for plain text document don't have GRDDL resul ?

PROPOSED: that the premise of the rel="transform" depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
... that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

<FabienG> jjc: mime-types ?

"has an XML representation" which excludes text/plain

<HarryH> APPROVED: that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

<HarryH> RESOLVED: that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

GRDDL Spec: #issue-mt-ns

<FabienG> Harry: happy with Dan's edit?

<HarryH> Everyone seems happy with DanC's edits.

GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri

<FabienG> JJC: only informative text to remind the implementors

<FabienG> DanC: the HTML base case was not approved yet

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to yes, cite htmlbase1 to clarify "base IRI of E" in the case of XHTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]

CR request for GRDDL Spec

<HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/crrequest.html

<HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/lc-spec

<FabienG> Harry: Samsung leaved the working group

<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0119 has suggested text on html base

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a"

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI

<FabienG> DanC: remove the pointer to the comment archive and use the table provided by jjc

<FabienG> jjc: current text has a normative dependency on the test that may prevent us to go to CR

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI + demoting tests to informative

<FabienG> Harry: there is the article from IBM site about GRDDL as an evidence

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-hmach1/index.html?ca=drs- A meaningful Web for humans and machines, Part 1: How humans can share the wealth of the Web

<FabienG> DanC: RDFa and GRDDL compatibility is in the critical path.

SWD comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0015.html

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to s/metdata/metadata/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to cite "XFN" informatively [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to demote test citation to informative [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 5 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI

<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003

<jjc> not fully addressed

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to address editorial comments by Beckett in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

<FabienG> jjc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 S2 is done, other S need editorial changes

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 6 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI

<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0190

<jjc> addressing dave beckett's comments

<FabienG> DanC: poll "confident done du deligence with comments"

<Simone> +1

<rreck> yes

<FabienG> Unanimous yes with the above comment integrated.

<FabienG> jjc: we have enough tests we need more implementation reports.

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to add test cases to spec abstract [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 6 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI

<FabienG> jjc: should we talk about security or should we leave it out of the critical path?

<HarryH> Deployed in popular forums

<FabienG> DanC: Harry and jjc will be in charge of the CR request from now on.

PROPOSED: that we move GRDDL Specication to CR 2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC, with CR request as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC
... that we move GRDDL Specication (2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC) to CR, using CR request text as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC

<FabienG> Chime: I second

<rreck> i agree with the proposal as stated.

RESOLUTION: that we move GRDDL Specication (2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC) to CR, using CR request text as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC

<FabienG> no objection, no abstention

<scribe> ACTION: JJC to see that the CR request gets to The Director, copy chairs, as per http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=cr-tr [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]

GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri

<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#htmlbase1

<FabienG> jjc: I am trying to show that the correct answer depends on both the base URI and the current URI.

<jjc> <a rel='transformation' href="whichdir.xsl">

<jjc> <base href="http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/xhtmlWithBaseElement"/>

<chimezie> I will be abstaining from htmlbase* proposal votes as long as they are approved as informative

eek

<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/whichdir.xsl

<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/base/xhtmlWithBaseElement

<jjc> <rdf:Description rdf:about="">

<jjc> <rdfs:comment>Transformed by stylesheet from /2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/</rdfs:comment>

<jjc> </rdf:Description>

<jjc> rdf:about="" is resolved with the retieval URI

<FabienG> Chime: the interaction with xml:base is not clear.

<jjc> so the triple is

<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/base/xhtmlWithBaseElement rdfs:comment "Transformed by stylesheet from /2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/"

<FabienG> DanC: don't want a WG decision if Chime is abstaining.

<FabienG> chime: really issue is with an html:base and an xml:base

<john-l> Does GRDDL.py pass this particular test?

<chimezie> nope

<FabienG> jjc: the xinclude has such a case

<jjc> no xinclude has xml:base inside html

PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#htmlbase1

<jjc> but no html base

so RESOLVED.

Test Cases for Rejection

<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data

<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders

<FabienG> ACTION: Chime to remove http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]

Test Cases for Approval

<chimezie> GRDDLpy-earl-2007-04-25.rdf

ok, I win, sorta: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results 1.11

proposals will please enumerate tests in alphabetical order

<FabienG> PROPOSAL: to extend the meeting to finish the work on test cases to go to LC.

<rreck> i will stay in chat but leave the phone, i trust chimezie will make the best decision possible.

<chimezie> With base URI of (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests):

<chimezie> #hcard1,#loop,#langconneg1,#langconneg2,#langconneg3,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfile,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndADisabledInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithMoreThanOneGrddlTransformation

<jjc> Chime please run tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist

RESOLUTION: to approve all of #hcard1,#loop,#langconneg1,#langconneg2,#langconneg3,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfile,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndADisabledInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithMoreThanOneGrddlTransformation

<chimezie> #card5n,#card5na,#embedded-rdf1,#embedded-rdf2,#embedded-rdf3,#glean-profile,#grddlonrdf,#hcard,#hcarda,#html-and-transformation-attr,#multipleRepresentations,#multipleRepresentations2,#multipleRepresentations3,#spaces-in-rel

RESOLUTION: to approve #card5n,#card5na,#embedded-rdf1,#embedded-rdf2,#embedded-rdf3,#glean-profile,#grddlonrdf,#hcard,#hcarda,#html-and-transformation-attr,#multipleRepresentations,#multipleRepresentations2,#multipleRepresentations3,#spaces-in-rel

<chimezie> #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf4,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9

PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4
... #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9

RESOLUTION: #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9

<jjc> ACTION: jjc remove XSLT 2.0 / XSLT 1.0 fallback from embeddedRDF.xsl [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]

PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 with the output changed to have absolute URIs, for clarity

(chime, how many outstanding tests are there?)

<chimezie> 9 left

<jjc> ntriples is

<jjc> <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#value> "one" .

PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 as is.

RESOLUTION: to approve #embedded-rdf4 as is.

<chimezie> #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt

jjc suggests removing #embedded-rdf7-alt, combined with action to take xslt2 out of lib above

jjc: the XSLT1 base handling stuff punts (xsl:message terminate="yes") in some cases.

<scribe> ACTION: chime to remove #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]

<chimezie> #grddlProfileBase1,#grddlProfileBase2,#grddlProfileBase3,#htmlbase1,#htmlbase2,#htmlbase3,#htmlbase4

RESOLUTION: to approve #grddlProfileBase1,#grddlProfileBase2,#grddlProfileBase3,#htmlbase1,#htmlbase2,#htmlbase3,#htmlbase4

<chimezie> #xmlbase1

<chimezie> outout doc: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/xmlWithBase-output

PROPOSED: to take test cases to last call, approving all tests that jjc+chime+john agree on, using editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/04/25 14:20:41 + edits as agreed by chime and john

<HarryH> I give my "yes"

<jjc> - critical corrections from msg 0184 and as suggested in this meeting

<FabienG> MSG is : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0184.html

<HarryH> One other plan would then ship both the Primer and a revised Use-Case doc as Notes when we send everything to PR.

so RESOLVED.

<chimezie> for the records: the issues (with current versions of those testgs): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0195.html

<HarryH> (those revisions having to deal with the tidy use-case in Use-Case Scenario document, and possibly wrapping an example of that into the Primer)

ADJOURN.

<FabienG> RESOLVED: to take test cases to last call, approving all tests that jjc+chime+john agree on, using editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/04/25 14:20:41 + edits as agreed by chime and john

<HarryH> Thanks everyone.

<HarryH> Mission (very close to) accomplished.

<jjc> jjc john chime agree to attempt to approve xmlbase 1-4 by e-mail, and possibly drop the other tests

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chime to remove #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Chime to remove http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to add test cases to spec abstract [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to address editorial comments by Beckett in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to cite "XFN" informatively [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to demote test citation to informative [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to s/metdata/metadata/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to yes, cite htmlbase1 to clarify "base IRI of E" in the case of XHTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: jjc remove XSLT 2.0 / XSLT 1.0 fallback from embeddedRDF.xsl [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: JJC to see that the CR request gets to The Director, copy chairs, as per http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=cr-tr [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
 
[DONE] ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
 
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