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Hello, Búfalo Barreto, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Infoboxes

Hello Búfalo Barreto,

it is not usual to use logos or insignia in the infoboxes. Please keep them simple and in a common design that is universally used on Wikipedia. Thank you. Kind regards. --RJFF (talk) 19:16, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again,

I am concerned because you are a new editor and you show a rather uncooperative behaviour. Wikipedia is a community project. You have to try to fit in, follow Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines, especially the WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. If one (or more) of your edits gets reverted, you are held to discuss the issue on the respective talk page, not to revert to your version again and again. Reverting several times is considered WP:edit warring which is strongly deprecated and may lead to a block for you. Please try to co-operate with other users instead of working against them. And it does not matter if people are "honorary". On Wikipedia, we do not differentiate who is honorary or not. This is not the place to "honor" people, but to neutrally inform about them. I look forward to better co-operation with you. Kind regards --RJFF (talk) 20:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 2012

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. However, please know that editors do not own articles and should respect the work of their fellow contributors on Alberto Fujimori. If you create or edit an article, know that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Please try to achieve consensus and stop edit warring. Mark Shaw (talk) 04:14, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

thank you for your message on my talk page. I think that I can comprehend your point of view. However, the basic idea of the infoboxes on the upper right side of Wikipedia articles is to summarize the most important information of the article in a very short and simple style. The infobox is an addition, not a replacement of the article's main body. If you want to add detailed information to the article, please consider working it in the article's body, but please do not increase the length of the infobox excessively. The infobox is thought to be short and to allow a quick overview at one glance. And this is not about respecting honorary people or not. For Wikipedia treats all of its subjects equal - from a WP:Neutral point of view. Thank you for your comprehension. Kind regards. --RJFF (talk) 06:46, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes (~~~~) at the end of the post or push the signature button. This makes it possible to idetify that the post is by you and when you wrote it. Thank you. --RJFF (talk) 06:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

P.P.S. I have just seen in the revision history of the article Alberto Fujimori that you have engaged in an edit war. Please be warned that more than three WP:reverts to the same page (you already have three!) may lead to your account being blocked. Please be careful and co-operate in a constructive way. --RJFF (talk) 06:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re

I will answer to your post on my talk page. You find my reply here. OK? And "RJFF" is just my nickname. You don't have to call me "Mr." ;) --RJFF (talk) 13:34, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

Your recent editing history at Valentín Paniagua and Ollanta Humala shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. --RJFF (talk) 13:44, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are wasting my time and yours. One more disruptive edit and I will request you being blocked. --RJFF (talk) 13:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your last edit at Alberto Fujimori seemed to be well-intentioned, and structurally it seems fine to me, but it did introduce the problem of redlinking the VP's title and removing the order (90th) of Fujimori's service. I invite you to try it again, but to use the "preview" function and ensure that there are no such technical issues with the edit before saving it. Cheers! Mark Shaw (talk) 15:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are edit-warring again. Please stop. Mark Shaw (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Signature

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button or located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 14:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not from Peru. I do not know whether there is an official counting of presidents in Peru, like there is in the US. This List of Presidents of Peru uses a counting completely different from the one you use. I do not know which one is the official, so I just avoided any ordinal numbers and just wrote "President of Peru" (without number). If there is an official counting like in the US, and the office of the presidency publishes an official list of presidents with numbers, you may of course add the official number and also change the List of Presidents of Peru (but only if they are official and you can refer to an officially published list!) --RJFF (talk) 14:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. In Spanish Wikipedia, the presidents don't have numbers, so I believe there is no official counting. You cannot just apply your own counting. --RJFF (talk) 14:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Common names

As I have tried to explain to you several times already, Wikipedia uses WP:Common names, not WP:Official names. Especially in the infobox, which is thought to be a short and simple summary of the most basic facts, and not a source of detailed information, it is opportune, usual, and preferable to abbreviate titles and not to display the full titles. This has nothing to do with respecting or disrespecting the respective offices or officeholders. And please let this be your very last warning against edit warring. The next time you revert any one of the disputed articles, I will file a complaint against you to get you banned. Better take this advice seriously and play by the rules. Kind regards. --RJFF (talk) 15:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Could you please explain to me why on Spanish Wikipedia the Peruvian presidents don't have ordinal numbers? Thank you. --RJFF (talk) 15:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiability

The article started by you, National Executive Committee of the Peruvian Aprista Party, does not cite any sources. Please note that Wikipedia is based on WP:Verifiability and all information has to be supported by WP:Reliable sources. Information that does not refer to sources can and will be removed. Thank you for your comprehension. --RJFF (talk) 15:52, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

I have proposed to merge the article National Executive Committee of the Peruvian Aprista Party (created by you) into the article American Popular Revolutionary Alliance. Please be invited to join the merger discussion at Talk:American_Popular_Revolutionary_Alliance#Merger_proposal. Kind regards. --RJFF (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re:

Hola. El caso está para que lo evalúe otro bibliotecario. Pero si pregunta porqué fue bloqueado le diré que es por cosas como esta o esta en las que se cambia totalmente un contenido sin referencias ni explicaciones, además de ser incorrectas y aunque había sido advertido. En cuanto al borrado de las páginas que creó, lo primero es decir que es incorrecto agregar la sigla en el nombre, luego que un artículo solo para una lista breve y una descripción del partido perfectamente pueden existir en la página principal del mismo (PAP), que los listados no son enciclopédicos y que la copia del reglamento partidario tampoco, y por último, que carecía de fuentes fiables (no blogs ni redes sociales) no relacionados con el partido que respaldaran la información, o ni tan siquiera que demostrara que era relevante. Saludos. --Ganímedes (talk) 03:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Every Wikipedia is independent. I cannot help you or interfer with Spanish Wikipedia. My merger proposal here on English Wikipedia will be open for discussion for at least 7 days, so there is no urgency here. Nothing will happen before this time has expired. I will answer your post as soon as I have a little bit more time. Kind regards. --RJFF (talk) 07:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Osarius. I wanted to let you know that I undid one of your recent contributions, such as the one you made to National Executive Committee of the Peruvian Aprista Party, because it didn’t appear constructive to me. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks, Osarius - Want a chat? 12:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fixertool no es bibliotecario. Espere, ya llegará otro bibliotecario y revisará el caso. Si contacta con otros en es:WP, evade bloqueo. Si lo hace aquí, le dirán que no es el sitio y que espere allá. Saludos. --Ganímedes (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Por última vez: espere a que otro bibliotecario revise el caso. Y por favor, aquí soy un usuario como cualquiera. El sitio para tratar su desbloqueo es Wikipedia en español y ya le he explicado lo que debe hacer. Tenga a bien seguir mis instrucciones. Saludos. --Ganímedes (talk) 17:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, Búfalo Barreto. You have new messages at Osarius's talk page.
Message added 13:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

Osarius - Want a chat? 13:11, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alberto Fujimori

You have reverted 8 times here. If you revert again, you will be blocked for an extended period of time. Go to the talk page of the article and discuss your changes, but do not continue to edit the article. Most admins would have just blocked you by now, but I'm trying to extend just a little good faith here. This is the only warning you will receive. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then use the talk page. Constantly edit warring is not allowed. Edit warring is when someone just reverts over and over again. As an admin, it is NOT my job to tell editors what should be on the article pages. My job is only to insure that people are acting in good faith, not warring, and trying to work together. I have no opinion on the edits you made. I do have an opinion the quantity of edits you made, which is disruptive. If we did not limit the number of times someone can revert another person's edit, it would be utter chaos at Wikipedia. Again, use the talk page, discuss this with other editors but do not revert or you will force my hand in blocking you. Even if you are 100% right, you still have to work here in a cooperative fashion. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This same warning applies to Alan García and Valentín Paniagua. You are new here, but you are on the verge of being blocked. You need to stop editing articles and start using the talk page of the articles instead to keep from getting blocked. Give it some time, you will learn how we cooperate here, but you can't just revert stuff over and over if you don't like it, even if you are right, as that is the definition of warring. Use the talk page, help others understand, but don't edit war or else you will be blocked. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mark is right, put your edits on the talk page of the article, not his talk page. Discuss with others, be patient. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:45, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. --RJFF (talk) 15:33, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from User talk:Dennis Brown

Mr. Brown, I know that you are working right now. I think you understand that I'm trying to make the pages look better. I won't revert, but the problem is the INFO-BOXES. An editor called RJFF told me that it's usually a summary not the whole information, but why does the US Presidents have a lot of information and the Peruvian should not. Sorry for interrupting but I'll try to fit in Wikipedia's policy but I keep telling that you are also reverting the Peruvian President's pages. I know peruvian history, and I'm trying to put the whole information in the INFO-BOXES. I won't discuss this conflict with others. I want to make you understand that my job is to improve Wikipedia articles so people get good information. Sorry for any inconvenience, Best Regards Búfalo Barreto (talk) 16:05, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe you are trying to improve the articles, but we have some rules that you need to be familiar with. 1. No reverting in an article more than 3 times in 24 hours. 2. Once someone has started reverting, you need to go to the talk page for that article and explain your edits, and seek compromise. 3. Even if others act badly, you still have to act in good faith. There are more rules, but that is the core part. We have to do this to prevent it from becoming an all out war. It sounds like you have some good ideas, but here is the problem: If you just start reverting and reverting, others will think you are being disruptive, and they aren't likely to listen to your arguments. You need to change your methods, use the talk page first when you are wanting a radical change. Don't work against others, work with them. I admit we have a lot of rules around here, but they are tested and have shown to make the place less of a war zone when it comes to editing. You have to be patient, use the talk page, wait a few days. We want to build a great encyclopedia and this takes time. You need to provide quality sources (see WP:RS) for starters. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 16:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not that we think US Presidents are more important than Peruvian. It's that Wikipedia information has to be supported by sources. Since a lot of English Wikipedia editors are American, it's easy for us to know, find, and cite references. Since most references about Peru are probably in Spanish, most of us couldn't find or understand them. So go slow and find sources which support what you're adding to the articles. Nobody Ent 16:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The sources don't need to be American or in English! Spanish language sources are fine, as long as they are reliable - they must meet our guidelines for reliable sources. I know Wikipedia can be confusing at first, but hang in there and you'll figure it out! We really do need better Peruvian articles, so your help is much appreciated. KillerChihuahua^?!? 16:50, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Javier Alva Orlandini

Hello Victor,

after your edit, the infobox of this article is much longer than the article's body. Usually, it should be the other way round. Why are you so keen on having long infoboxes, instead of expanding the article's body first? It would be more helpful if you could invest your knowledge on Peruvian politics and history in improving the article's prose, and not only enumerate titles, positions and terms. An encyclopedia should mainly consist of prose text. The infoboxes are only thought as an addition to provide shorthand access to the most important facts of the article. Kind regards. --RJFF (talk) 13:35, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re:

The English-language Wikipedia does not necessarily have the same rules, styles, customs and practices as the Spanish one. If the Spanish Wikipedia prefers long, official titles, the English Wikipedia does not have to follow this practice. You compare to Obama: his infobox says "Member of the Illinois Senate", not "Member of the Senate of the State of Illinois"; "President of the United States", not "President of the United States of America"; "United States Senator from Illinois", not "Member of the Senate of the United States of America from the State of Illinois". See? Short forms.

The equivalent of "President of the United States" is "President of Peru". "United States" is the short name of the "United States of America". "Peru" is the short name of the "Republic of Peru". --RJFF (talk) 13:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Btw. "from Illinois" is not part of the title/position, but a reference to his constituency. --RJFF (talk) 13:59, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Víctor M. Marroquín

In your edit summary, you wrote that this article was about your father. Please note that it is not advisable to write articles about yourself or your family members, as it is usually difficult to keep a neutral point-of-view (NPOV) in these cases. You could even be in a conflict of interest (COI). --RJFF (talk) 14:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And could you please explain if you are somehow linked to User:Compañero Víctor Raúl or User:Provinciano? --RJFF (talk) 14:20, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The reason that I created his biography was because he is a recognized peruvian lawyer that has been awarded by a british magazine called World Finance that registers all of the most prominent legal advisors in all of the world. He is a Harvard Law School graduate that works here in Peru. He's been interviewed many times, giving his opinion in peruvian law and politics. Also, I wrote in his infobox "President of the Harvard Law School Association of Peru", "Secretary of the Harvard Club of Peru" and another office, but you deleted it saying that those offices are not public offices, so why does Drew Faust or Martha Minow (That don't hold public offices) have in their infoboxes For Example: "President of Harvard University" (Faust) and "Dean of Harvard Law School" (Minow)". Please could you explain that.

P.S.: The users that you mentioned are mine but I forgot my password in both of them. Since I created Búfalo Barreto, I wrote the password in my computer so I could not forget.

Have a nice day, thank you for the advice, Víctor Búfalo Barreto (talk) 19:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't remove cleanup notes from the top of articles that need work. You are a major contributor to the article on Víctor M. Marroquín (your father), so you have a close connection to him. That has to be noted. The article is written like a resume rather than an encyclopedic biography. That has to be changed. The article does not have a single footnote. They have to be added. The templates on top of the page are to attract the attention of other editors to improve the article. They are necessary. Please don't remove them. And please be aware that you have already been noted for disruptive editing, your Spanish account has already been blocked. Better avoid future conflicts in order not to loose your editing rights here. --RJFF (talk) 20:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Message from Búfalo Barreto

Aún puedes escribir en un página de discusión en es.wikipedia. Pide de nuevo tu desbloqueo indicando esta vez lo que me has indicado aquí, que eres consciente de que has cometido vandalismos. Sobre tus artículos creados eran irrelevantes o podían incluirse en otros artículos, por eso fueron borrados. Un saludo, --Morza (talk) 10:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 :Please don't remove cleanup notes from the top of articles that need work. You are a major contributor to the article on [[Víctor M. Marroquín]] (your father), so you have a close connection to him. That has to be noted. The article is written like a resume rather than an encyclopedic biography. That has to be changed. The article does not have a single [[Help:Footnotes|footnote]]. They have to be added. The templates on top of the page are to attract the attention of other editors to improve the article. They are necessary. Please don't remove them. And please be aware that you have already been noted for disruptive editing, your Spanish account has already been blocked. Better avoid future conflicts in order not to loose your editing rights here. --[[User:RJFF|RJFF]] ([[User talk:RJFF|talk]]) 20:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
+== Re: Message from Búfalo Barreto ==
+Aún puedes escribir en un página de discusión en es.wikipedia. Pide de nuevo tu desbloqueo indicando esta vez lo que me has indicado aquí, que eres consciente de que has cometido vandalismos. Sobre tus artículos creados eran irrelevantes o podían incluirse en otros artículos, por eso fueron borrados. Un saludo, --[[User:Morza|Morza]] ([[User talk:Morza|talk]]) 10:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)