::It never made it into policy. Ergo it is not policy. There were unanswered objections to the proposal. [[User:Crispmuncher|Crispmuncher]] ([[User talk:Crispmuncher|talk]]) 12:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
::It never made it into policy. Ergo it is not policy. There were unanswered objections to the proposal. [[User:Crispmuncher|Crispmuncher]] ([[User talk:Crispmuncher|talk]]) 12:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
:::It was closed, until you decided to undo it. '''[[User talk:Hot Stop|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">Hot Stop</span></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Hot_Stop|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">(Edits)</span></span>]]''' 14:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
:::It was closed, until you decided to undo it. '''[[User talk:Hot Stop|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">Hot Stop</span></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Hot_Stop|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">(Edits)</span></span>]]''' 14:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes, it was closed and archived, and then Eraserhead decided to modify the archive to make it say something other than it had, in the apparent hope no-one noticed it. There was a discussion on adjusting the bot only recently and its behaviour reflects consensus. At the very least this kind of imposition needs current debate to reflect current consensus, not citing an old ''failed'' proposal as evidence to enact something now. I will re-revert now and any further attempts to re-write history will go straight to AN/I. [[User:Crispmuncher|Crispmuncher]] ([[User talk:Crispmuncher|talk]]) 14:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
*Agree with the above. This is what a deaths ticker is for, and it should be implemented per consensus. '''[[User talk:Hot Stop|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">Hot Stop</span></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Hot_Stop|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">(Edits)</span></span>]]''' 13:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
*Agree with the above. This is what a deaths ticker is for, and it should be implemented per consensus. '''[[User talk:Hot Stop|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">Hot Stop</span></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Hot_Stop|<span style="font-family: symbol;"><span style="color:#0d254c">(Edits)</span></span>]]''' 13:53, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
::::It was archived and Eraserhead decided to modify the archive to make it say something other than it did in the apparent hope no-one noticed it. There was a discussion on adjusting the bot only recently and its behaviour reflects consensus. At the very least this kind of imposition needs current to debate to reflect current consensus, not citing an old ''failed'' proposal as evidence to enact something now. I will re-revert and any further attempts to re-write history will go straight to AN/I. [[User:Crispmuncher|Crispmuncher]] ([[User talk:Crispmuncher|talk]]) 14:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''''. If he was currently a member of Parliament, his death might be noteworthy, but he isn't. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:20, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''''. If he was currently a member of Parliament, his death might be noteworthy, but he isn't. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:20, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
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2012 Beirut bombing: Lebanese security forces fire shots into the air and tear gas at crowds, as protesters attempt to breach government offices of prime minister Mikati in response to a car bomb that killed intelligence chief Wissam al-Hassan. (Jerusalem Post)
Police fire tear gas and stun grenades at an anti-government protest in Kuwait; protesters were demonstrating against changes to voting laws. (Al Jazeera)
Syrian civil war: Car bombs explode in predominately Christian neighborhoods in Damascus and Aleppo, killing at least 13, as talks between the Assad and U.N. peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi continue. (Wall Street Journal)
Oppose Since he was not actually president, I feel he doesn't quite make the high notability cut for his death being ITN. Thue (talk) 12:31, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The article says "highest-rated racehorse in the world since May 2011", so not that long or historically significant. I would much prefer ITN to rather feature some more news about fx the financial crisis; sports news like this seems too much like trivia to me in comparison. Thue (talk) 12:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how we can put world's top-rated racehorse in the blurb. Those ratings only consider a handful of countries from what I can see.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Authorities in Tripoli announce the capture of Muammar Gaddafi's former spokesman Moussa Ibrahim near the town of Tarhouna, 40 miles south of the capital Tripoli. Ibrahim's whereabouts had been unknown since the end of the civil war in 2011 and there had been several earlier reports of his arrest. Hours later an audio message purported to be by Ibrahim appears online, in which he denies being captured or even being in Libya. (Reuters)(BBC)
Siege of Bani Walid (2012): Reports emerge that Khamis Gaddafi, the youngest son of Muammar Gaddafi, was killed during the fighting in Bani Walid. The 29-year-old has been proclaimed dead several times since the beginning of last year's civil war. (The Guardian)
Suspected members of Boko Haram attack the northern Nigerian city of Potiskum, destroying several buildings and leaving at least 23 locals dead. (Al Jazeera)
Overnight clashes in southeastern Turkey leave 9 people dead, including 6 security officers and 3 suspected Kurdish militants. (Al Jazeera)
The SV Estelle, a schooner attempting to breach the Israeli blockade of Gaza claiming to deliver humanitarian aid, is boarded by Israeli soldiers and diverted to the port of Ashdod by Israeli naval ships; Israel says no aid is found aboard. Passengers offer no resistance. (The Irish Times)(The Times of Israel)
Jewish-American linguist, philosopher and human rights campaigner Noam Chomsky visits Gaza for the first time and attends a seminar alongside Gazan thinkers and intellectuals. (Press TV)
Politics
Tens of thousands of protesters march through London, Glasgow and Belfast in a series of demonstrations against UK government austerity measures. (BBC)(CNN)(RTÉ)
Wissam al-Hassan, head of Saad al-Hariri's security team, is killed in the blast. Al Hassan was known for being the prime investigator in the Michel Samaha case, where Michel Samaha was caught smuggling bombs into Lebanon upon orders from the Syrian government to kill Lebanese officials between 2005 and 2008, starting with the murder of Rafik al-Hariri.(Al Jazeera)
A tour bus went off the highway and crashed in northwest Arizona late Friday at around 8:00 PM PDT, killing the bus driver (who was believed to have suffered a medical incident), and leaving at least four of the passengers with serious injuries. About 45 other passengers were hurt less seriously, and some were not hospitalized. The bus was northbound on Highway 93 near Willow Beach, Arizona and the Nevada state line, southeast of Las Vegas. (NBC)
Taxicab driver Christopher Halliwell is sentenced to life imprisonment for murdering Sian O'Callaghan who went missing after visiting a nightclub in Swindon in March last year. (BBC)
Respect MP George Galloway writes to British home secretary Theresa May and makes a complaint to the police about his secretary Aisha Ali-Khan, claiming that she was working as an "agent" for a Metropolitan police counterterrorism officer who was running a "dirty tricks" campaign against him. (The Guardian)
Wedding of the heir to the throne. We usually post those. There is no separate article but the basic update is there. --Tone17:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - this is big news from a small country. The blurb should use the bride's maiden name, though. There's enough material on the Grand Duke's official website, the BBC, etc, for articles on both the bride and the event to be created, which I heartily recommend. I'm currently stuck in a hospital, but I'll gladly contribute when I'm out. AlexTiefling (talk) 20:36, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Blurb is yet subject to change as full extent of damages is being assessed. Current estimate is 4 dead and at least 110 injured. --hydrox (talk) 01:11, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Multiple fatalities, including that of a senior political figure, in a bombing that happened against the backdrop of the Syrian Civil War is a notable event. --Droodkin (talk) 09:40, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Signs X and Y mean nothing to me. The change in the deaths and injuries reported will continue even if we post the blurb, so there is no reason to avoid use of any numbers. Saying at least 100 or something else seems to be fine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:41, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on face value. His election may have been a watershed moment. If so, I'd like that expressed in the blurb. If his significance can only be captured by the words, "Canada's first blackMember of Parliament", then ... meh. --RA (talk) 19:28, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Under Wikipedia:ITN/DC#Deaths, Alexander more than satisfies criteria #1 and 2. He was in a high-ranking office of power (a cabinet minister [Minister of Labour] and the 24th Lieutenant Governor of Ontario) and had a significant contribution/impact on the country/region (his election as MP and appointment as LG, both unprecedented firsts in Canada, led to more acceptance and tolerance of black people in Canada). He was also widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field (reasons stated above; also, in his profession as a lawyer, he was both a QC and part of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada). —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think a secretary of labour, or a lieutenant governor really qualifies as a 'high ranking position of power'. I don't know if he's widely regarded as a very important person in his field, but I'd like to see some sources confirming he was. I think we'd need multiple reliable sources saying 'one of the most important MPs', or 'considered by many to be one of the most significant MPs' etc. The fact that he was the first black Canadian MP seems to be where the real significance is.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:17, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also I think the death section needs a bit more expansion. Normally the update should contain more than details about his death and funeral.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He held those political offices over 20 years ago. Neither are 'high ranking' in the way we usually interpret those guidelines, which for a country the size of Canada would be Prime Minister or head of state (were it to ever become a republic). As far as I can tell from the article and nomination, Alexander did not have a great lasting impact on his country or region (in the sense of a supernational area, not subnational). There are many hundreds of QCs and Privy Counsellors, so that doesn't mean much either. Sorry, I'm still opposed. Modest Geniustalk10:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He wasn't in a high-ranking office at the time of his death, he resigned a long time before. It would be ITN if an incumbent officeholder died. --RJFF (talk) 10:27, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it was closed and archived, and then Eraserhead decided to modify the archive to make it say something other than it had, in the apparent hope no-one noticed it. There was a discussion on adjusting the bot only recently and its behaviour reflects consensus. At the very least this kind of imposition needs current debate to reflect current consensus, not citing an old failed proposal as evidence to enact something now. I will re-revert now and any further attempts to re-write history will go straight to AN/I. Crispmuncher (talk) 14:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
American weekly news magazine Newsweek announces it will cease print publication on December 31 and will move to an online-only format. (CNN)
Trading of Google stock on NASDAQ is temporarily suspended after it drops 9% following an inadvertent early release of its quarterly report showing a 20% decline in profits. (BBC)(Bloomberg)
It seems crude but on experience 30 deaths is about borderline for the magnitude of a disaster that is posted, though that threshold is generally somewhat lower for violent deaths. Currently the article linked to is of very low-quality and makes no mention of the incident. LukeSurltc21:56, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support Seems like the violence is serious, but the blurb mentioning a federal subject is too naive. I think it's better to mention Nigeria in the blurb, which gives a full orientation for the reader.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lance Armstrong resigns as chairman of his anti-cancer charity, LIVESTRONG.
Athletic apparel conglomerate Nike and cycling equipment manufacturer Trek revoke their endorsement contracts with U.S. cyclist Lance Armstrong in the wake of growing allegations of doping. Both will continue to support LIVESTRONG. (Daily Mail)
Anheuser-Busch states it will allow Armstrong's contract with them to expire at the end of the year. It will also continue to support LIVESTRONG. (BBC)(CNN)
Neutral - This is much more exciting exoplanet news than the two mentioned below. But I'd still like to wait and see how enthusiastically this is taken up by non-specialist media. I've also added an altblurb which distinguishes planet, star and system correctly. AlexTiefling (talk) 10:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Scientifically unsurprising, but required impressive precision. Bound to make a splash with the public, given that it's a really easy star to point out by eye. Nice outreach topic, but of minor scientific interest beyond the instrumentation aspects. I don't really mind if this does or doesn't get posted, but the article needs some work first (one-paragraph stub at present). Modest Geniustalk11:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - closest possible extrasolar planet, and Earth-sized to boot; smallest planet ever discovered by radial velocity; now also covered by mainstream media (NY Times and many others) after embargo has been lifted. Planet is close enough that it could technically be visited by a (multi-decade) spacecraft [2]. (The blurb should technically say "announced" instead of "found" since it's not yet independently confirmed. But there seems to be no serious doubt on the results.) --Roentgenium111 (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - interesting news being picked up my major outlets. I've done a few edits and article is no longer a stub, is organised into sections, and the facts are now all cited. (I wish people wouldn't add things without citing, especially with news stories) LukeSurltc15:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support That there actually are planets, not just in theory, in our neighbouring solar system is huge news - and not just from an astronomical perspective. Njardarlogar (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Post-post Support. Detecting a 51 centimetre wobble? That's quite the precision... I mean sure, it's only 4.37 ly away, but still! EricLeb01 (Page | Talk)20:47, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Post-post Support. Given that the discovery of exoplanets is now routine, posting in ITN requires something extra. In this case, proximity and survival in a trinary system are the kickers. Next, a planet with water in the habitable zone. Speciate (talk) 19:24, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Saudi Arabia’s official news agency reports that a hand grenade explosion at the King Abdulaziz military academy in Riyadh kills one cadet and injures nine. (AP via Boston Globe)
Several structures were set ablaze and as many as 24 militants were killed after suspected bombing Boko Haram attacks rocked the Nigerian city of Maiduguri. (BBC)
Two suspected al-Qaeda members and two government-aligned tribesmen are killed during an attack on a border checkpoint in Abyan, Yemen. (Reuters)
The BBC appoints the heads of two separate inquiries into the sexual abuse scandal that has engulfed Jimmy Savile. Former High Court judge Dame Janet Smith will review the culture and practices of the BBC during the time Savile worked there, while Nick Pollard, a former Sky News executive will look at why a Newsnight investigation into Savile's activities was dropped shortly before transmission. (The Daily Telegraph)
A 4.0-magnitude (originally, 4.6) earthquake strikes Hollis Center, Maine, roughly 20 miles west of Portland, Maine, the state's largest city. At 3.1 miles deep, it is a shallow earthquake, felt in Maine, southwestern Connecticut, and eastern New York state. There were reports of very minor damage and cellular phone outages, but no serious property damage, injuries, or deaths. (NBC)
This is popping up all over. And considering the works stolen it seems fairly notable. Please change blurb if needed. The article to update will be that of the museum. -- Ashish-g5517:43, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article requires significant expansion, more than just a one paragraph update. It needs to have several paragraphs of referenced prose. A fair bit of work, and it might be difficult if there aren't a lot of sources in English about the museum.--Johnsemlak (talk) 18:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually considering this museum is only there for temporary exhibitions perhpas this update may end up going elsewhere. any suggestions? -- Ashish-g5518:42, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Info on this museum isnt easy to find since this seems to be the only major event. Its empty space for temporary exhibitions so i just added another line in there mentioning some of the recent artists that were featured. -- Ashish-g5522:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support though the update is brief. Also the timing is crucial, as this is closing in on stale. Interesting story however. Jusdafax21:21, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Initially, when reading the nomination below I was not impressed. However, when reading more about Planet Hunters 1, it is indeed a really unusual planet: until now only six planets are known to orbit two suns, and the fact that this has two more stars orbiting it is really unusual and will probably have repercussions on the planet formation theories; secondly, this planet is the first one to be discovered by a crown-sourcing project such as Planet Hunters. Nergaal (talk) 14:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Initially, when reading the nomination below -- I think he has read it! Nevertheless, the paragraph that is linked (in it's current state) to doesn't suggest front page content to me, Oppose. LukeSurltc17:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. a) this is a re-nomination of an item which is already under discussion below, which furthermore fails to address any of the existing opposition b) it hasn't been peer-reviewed yet, c) it's really not that big a deal in terms of formation theories, as the orbit is no less stable than various other circumbinary systems, and d) being discovered by crowd-sourcing is irrelevant. Modest Geniustalk17:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: The Booker will be announced today, and it's a recurring item, so shouldn't be a problem. I'm posting this to inform that, for the first time, I have written a rather extensive article on the current Booker Prize, so we won't have to link simply to the generic Man Booker Prize page. Lampman (talk) 22:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Notable award, excellent article (take it straight to GA once the attention has died down). Could do with another sentence or two in the 'Winner' section, but otherwise this is good to go. Modest Geniustalk21:19, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Internationally celebrated teenage activist Malala Yousafzai is sent to the UK for further treatment after being shot in the head by a Taliban gunman. (Reuters)
The Portuguese government announces details of its draft budget for 2013, as protests continue against austerity. (BBC)
Disasters and accidents
Seven people are treated in hospital for injuries after a bus carrying 56 college students crashes and overturns near the English coastal town of Poole. (BBC)
Virgin Trains is asked to continue running the rail franchise for UK's West Coast Main Line following the cancellation of a deal to award the contract to another company when errors were made in the way in which the process was conducted. (BBC)
Oppose - I love exoplanets. I don't love repeated 'news' stories about them. 55 Cancri e is not a new discovery - I'm sure the existence of at least 5 planets in the 55Cnc system was known quite some time ago. The 'made from diamonds' claim is an exaggeration; it's made from a large amount of elemental carbon, some of which may be diamonds, but lots of which is likely to be graphite or amorphous carbon. Nothing particularly stands out about this announcement. AlexTiefling (talk) 16:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - While I think that this is a news-worthy story, I believe that the articles mentioned should have been created first, and then later nominated. --Droodkin (talk) 16:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'm an astronomer myself, and my immediate reaction is 'so what?'. Mildly interesting, but neither are particularly significant. In addition, the diamond one rests upon a huge number of rather shaky assumptions. Modest Geniustalk18:25, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: 55 Cnc e did already exist, and is even a GA. The link was broken due to incorrect syntax, which I've fixed. No idea about the other one, which doesn't seem to follow the normal naming conventions. Modest Geniustalk18:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Oppose blurb that calls it "Nobel Prize in Economics". A Nobel Prize in Economics doesn't exist. If posted, the blurb should use the correct name of the prize. Mocctur (talk) 14:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support: But agree with the above in regards to the blurb. Economic science is a lot less vague anyhow, even if it wasn't the official title of the award :-) --Klak of Klak (talk) 14:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support notability as per ITN/R. Usual comments about article readiness - I think both articles need at least a paragraph explaining exactly what the Prize was awarded for. As per the name, it's the "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences, commonly referred to as the Nobel Prize in Economics". I'm happy with either, though I prefer the brevity of the latter over the precision of the former. LukeSurltc14:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. It is not a Nobel Prize as stipulated in the will of Alfred Nobel. It has only been awarded since the 1970s. It is not as important as the Nobel Peace Prize (and even the importance of the Nobel Peace Prize is eroded by giving every second one to warmongers and criminals). --86.40.103.33 (talk) 21:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not an "official Nobel". It has nothing to do with the Nobel Prizes, that is, the prizes established by the family named Nobel. It's as much a Nobel Prize as the "Alternative Nobel Prize", one of many prizes trying to use the prestige of Alfred Nobel's prizes. Nobel is the family name of a Swedish family and the only prizes that are "official Nobels" are obviously prizes established or at least approved by that family. The Nobel family explicitly forbade any use of their family name in connection with this prize. Mocctur (talk) 22:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a useful measure of the notability of this prize. 'Officialness' is, ultimately, irrelevant. The question is, will I see this in tomorrow's Financial Times? To which the answer is 'yes', unless it was it today's. (I didn't check, tbh.) AlexTiefling (talk) 22:26, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Regardless of any controversies surrounding the naming and provenance of the prize itself, it is a widely-regarded prize and has as prominent a place in the news media as any of the other fer realz Nobel Prizes. --Jayron3202:49, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Doktorbuk asked me to look at the this to see if it's ready, but I don't know which article(s) I should be looking at. Neither the Roth article nor the Shapely article looks ready. -- tariqabjotu21:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Scottish independence referendum 2014
Article:Scottish independence referendum 2014 (talk·history·tag) Blurb: United Kingdom Prime Minister David Cameron signs an agreement with First Minister of Scotland Alex Salmond to pave the way for an independence referendum in 2014 (Post) Credits:
Weak support: I can see the significance of this & and the amount of media coverage it has garnered in the UK right now, but as it's just the announcement of a deal we all knew was coming anyway, I can only lend a weak support. It's a support all the same, however. --Klak of Klak (talk) 14:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support "Historic agreement"[4][5] Major readership interest. Developments in this story have been proposed but not posted before AFAIK (correct me if I am wrong..) --hydrox (talk) 17:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment being a non-Brit is can be hard to understand the significance here but it sure seems more important than a 'bureaucratic process' or a 'minor negotiation'. We now have a set date for a vote on Scottish independence, and given that it's two years away I think it's a bit long to wait for that result. But here's a question I have--will this referendum actually be a mechanism for Scotland to secede, or is this like a lot of similar referenda in places like Quebec where there's no clear picture as to what will happen if voters vote for independence?--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, that's true. But isn't the 'imprecise' time of this election normal in UK elections? UK general elections don't take place at a definite date but they definitely happen. Is there any chance that the referendum won't take place?--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:28, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The current news is merely about the UK allowing Scotland to hold a referendum. They haven't actually decided to hold it yet, but the ruling party has clearly said they want to. In 2013 it's expected that a bill about holding the referendum will be introduced in the Scottish parliament where it will probably pass, but we don't know whether something will happen and stop the bill from being introduced or passed. The bill will set a date for the referendum, presumably in the autumn of 2014. If we bring anything in ITN before the referendum then I think it should be when it's actually decided to hold the referendum and not one or more of the many other steps. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
UK press sources are saying it's a "legally binding referendum". The article seems to hint that if the vote is "yes" for independence, the secession would not be immediate, but would rather lead to negotiations between the Scottish and British governments. --hydrox (talk) 21:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This is a routine part of the process. The Catalan situation is different precisely because of the massive popular protests there. This has been a much gentler process so far, and today's signing was a mere formality, albeit an important one. As I understand it, as the referendum will be legally binding, a 'yes' vote would inevitably lead to secession (barring, you know, a war breaking out or something), but not immediately. AlexTiefling (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support We'd post things like secessionists and governments agreeing to talks. This is the culmination of such talks. There may be no war involved (a good thing) but it is just as significant. The UK government has agreed that there will be a referendum, if Scotland votes to leave the UK, then it may leave. --RA (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As pointed out when this topic was nominated in both January and May of this year, it is the results of this repeatedly postponed referendum, if it is ever held, that matter, not every minor step in the process of determining if or when the referendum will be held. --Allen3talk21:59, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
May I draw your attention to the section of WP:CIVIL which specifically mentions "derogatory references to groups such as social classes or nationalities"? You also appear to be engaging in false generalisation. Please consider apologising and retracting your statements. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. I heard about this in the radio a week or two ago and they mentioned that there were two previous similar peace accords signed before (Tripoli 1 and 2), but they were never applied and thus this isn't that significant unless words and turned into actions. Mohamed CJ(talk)09:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Unlike Sudan where they parted ways, the Muslims and Christians sectors agree to a broader scope of autonomy rather than independence. --Exec8 (talk) 15:54, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Defer to 2016 when they finally agree on the final peace treaty. We've waited 40 years for a preliminary agreement so we can wait for a few more years for hopefuly the final treaty. –HTD16:00, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Basically, "the deal" was that they'll make a deal that would be approved by 2016 at the latest. That's the deal. Kinda like the Scottish nom above. –HTD18:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Article:Malala Yousafzai (talk·history·tag) Blurb: Internationally celebrated child activist Malala Yousafzai is sent to the UK for further treatment after being shot in the head by a Taliban gunman. (Post) Alternative blurb: Pakistani child activist Malala Yousafzai is sent to the UK for treatment after being shot in the head by a Taliban gunman. News source(s):(Reuters), (BBC) Credits:
Support with alt blurb ("Internationally celebrated" is a bit POV). It may be a bit late in this story to post something, but the article in question is excellent. LukeSurltc10:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It gets a little wordy. Maybe something like: "Celebrated child activist Malala Yousafzai, shot in the head last week by a Taliban gunman, travels to England for further treatment. Fortibus (talk) 13:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and remove. While we all can feel sorry for a girl who has been shot, this isn't main page material at all. Numerous people get shot and brutalized all over the world every day. Mocctur (talk) 14:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But most of them are not prominent youth activists shot by terrorists for their activism. Support, as the victim is clearly notable, and her story is making the headlines world-wide. AlexTiefling (talk) 14:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting Oppose- She was shot a week ago, and all this is reporting is that she was brought to the UK. This is just an excuse to post it now because we missed it last week, which isn't a good reason for posting otherwise insignificant news. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:46, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This should have been posted when she was shot. As the blurb reads right now, the news being highlighted is her being sent to the UK for treatment. How she receives medical treatment is not really the news (and not relevant/significant enough to be mentioned in the blurb), it was the fact that she was shot and that there was widespread condemnation of the shooting in Pakistan (and internationally). Chocolate Horlicks (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The UK's Ministry of Defence says that five Royal Marines have been charged with murder over an incident involving the death of an insurgent in Afghanistan in 2011. (BBC)
The UK's Ministry of Defence will hold an investigation after journalists from The Sunday Times posed as lobbyists for a defence manufacturer and approached several senior retired officers to ask if they would help them secure contracts. (BBC)
Support posting immediately. Very important political figure in the world and former head of state who hold numerous other political offices during his life. The death section seems to be sufficiently expanded and the consensus is clear here.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'd really like to have an image, and I see File:Norodom Sihanouk.JPG, except that it says it's a crop from another file in Commons. But it's not a crop from that photo, and I don't want to post something that's potentially unfree. Are there any other images? I can't say the other ones in the article are of good enough posting quality. SpencerT♦C01:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Support per most discussed and deliberated ITN/R category and it has remained standing. Also just their third election as a sovereign state. Update is non-existent though. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 23:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I propose we institute the recent deaths ticker see most recent RfC with the death of the longest sitting Pennsylvania US Senator Arlen Specter.(See Washington Post) Since I am proposing this for the ticker, I am not suggesting a blurb. The change would be to one line of ITN,
from the current:
This is a minor efficient change which has had strong support every time it has been suggested, recently and in the past.
As for specter himself, he served on the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of JFK, chaired Supreme Court nomination hearings, was a Republican who opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton, and switched parties enabling the passage of Obamacare. There should be significant US readership interest, justifying a ticker slot, if not a full ITN listing. μηδείς (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Shouldn't his name go below the line of bold entries? That line already fills the width of the template, and it looks whacky having a blurb of unbolded text adjacent to all bold text.
Support perhaps with that cloning guy; RfC already has consensus so no need debating that here; all we need is an admin who will agree to make the change. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:30, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't see this as a rush to implement the "death ticker". Specter wasn't a particularly special politician, other than being old. --IP98 (talk) 18:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose deaths ticker. I know I missed the RFC, but how to we "pick and choose"? Would rather a bot just keep the area updated with the last three from Deaths in 2012 (or whatever), and never see another death nom on this list. --IP98 (talk) 18:34, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
They would be nominated exactly as I have done here and approved before they are posted. And could you please consolidate your oppose into one bold vote? People should be voting on the nom, not the ticker. There were three votes ion favor of the ticker in August, including the 18 to 11 RfC with some opposes being to specific versions, not the entire idea, and previous votes such as back in June, all in favor. μηδείς (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose both. I oppose the death nom, I dont think it stands on it's own. I oppose the death ticker too as redundant overkill. --IP98 (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am curious if you think everyone who supports this should have two bold supports, IP98, and Doktorb one bold support and one oppose? Please consider unbolding one of your votes, not retracting your comment. The purpose of bolding is to emphasize the consensus on a cursory view. I don't vote oppose to ITNR itself and to individual ITNR nominations in the same thread even though I might oppose both. Is this double voting a precedent we want to set? μηδείς (talk) 20:40, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I changed one to italics. The posting admins aren't vote counting robot scripts. I'm sorry that you're so hung up on it, and I hope that this change makes things better. I am, however, going to bold the following comment: the death ticker is an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction to the perception that too many death noms are posted. A death nom is a nom like any other, which either stands on it's own or doesn't. There is absolutely no need for the ticker. I don't think I had "support" or "oppose" in there anywhere, so it ought not cause any further consternation. Thanks. --IP98 (talk) 21:01, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Opposing the nom is not a problem, although I think he will be of enough interest in the US to have a lot of readers looking for him, and he was a senior statesman while in office. μηδείς (talk) 18:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If only Specter is listed, there is no need for an extra line, we should be economical. If we add Campbell, which I support, then a second line is fine--people should presumably vote their support for that under his nom for the recent death option. μηδείς (talk) 18:39, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Assuming there is consensus to list a recent death like this, Specter is an appropriate person to use it for. He was a leader in the US Senate, shepherding Supreme Court nominees through confirmation hearings, regardless of the political party of the nominating president. An actual moderate, he was one of the last of a dying breed. Before he was a Senator, he was a driving force behind the single bullet theory put forth by the Warren Commission during the investigation of the JFK assassination. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean someone else's concerns? Doktorb has simply voted no on the nom, presumably as not notable enough, but not expressed any addressable concern that I can see. μηδείς (talk) 20:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, notability concerns. although long-serving, Specter was never the president pro tempore of the Senate, was not among the longest serving members of Congress, and did not have the impact in Pennsylvania as other senators, such as Robert Byrd and Ted Stevens had on the economic and social development in their respective states. And I have to admit, after reading Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/August_2009 about Ted Kennedy, Spector's accomplishments seem much small and I'm changing my !vote: perhaps he didn't have as much traction as a more moderate voice to have a greater impact. SpencerT♦C22:52, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The death ticker proposal didn't gain consensus. If you want another crack, you need to start a new centralised discussion. Formerip (talk) 21:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The death ticker proposal has been supported at least four times, in discussions arranged by three editors, 18 to 11 in a formal RfC, and even higher in other informal votes, with some of the oppose votes in the RfC not actually opposing the proposition itself, just various versions. If you want to vote oppose for the nom itself, FormerIP please do so--but don't make stuff up outright about the result of former discussions of this issue. μηδείς (talk) 22:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural oppose I appreciate your anxiety to force some breaking of a current impasse as to the creation/rejection of a death ticker, but a formal resolution of that issue, and incorporation of the facility into instructions and provisions of ITN should precede any proposal to implement them. We cannot implement functions before they are unveiled. Kevin McE (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I Support the idea of a recent death ticker. One caveat; some of the recently deceased are redlinks, so the bot should not add them to the ticker. Breaking impasses is good, no matter what some WikiLawyering users might think. Speciate (talk) 03:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I like the idea of a ticker with a somewhat lower notability bar than deaths on ITN. I think it would be best to have exactly two names in the list at all times. If implemented, I think it would be wise to set up a small group to figure out exactly how it would work and draft policy. I have no opinion on Specter however. LukeSurltc10:27, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the link to the former closed discussion (the one that gets mentioned in rational for the closed out discussion Bzweeble linked to, and Hot Stop mentioned) got archived - and I don't want to mess with the archive or the closed discussion but I think that leaves a broken link or two in there that ought to point to here. Incidentally I think I'm broadly neutral, or possibly weakly opposed to the recent deaths getting front page links, but if they are to happen then I prefer the bare links format after rereading the discussion. And I think that if we were to trial the format now, then for Arlen Specter I'd support for a bare link, oppose for a blurb EdwardLane (talk) 10:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Seems pretty well established we all think this is hella cool, I thought I'd bust out an 'official' template. --LukeSurltc18:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose if he merely breaks the record: incremental improvements in performance is the nature of human development and record brreaking. Perhaps I could be persuaded if sound barrier is broken. Kevin McE (talk) 06:20, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Provisional support, subject to ITN criteria being met and sound barrier being broken (regardless of whether he lives to tell the tale, that'll still be in the news). However, I agree that this is a premature nomination and will need to be evaluated in the context of other events. -- Trevj (talk) 07:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support if and only if the sound barrier is broken; oppose otherwise. I'm generally against this kind of story, but breaking the sound barrier does seem very notable. Question: the speed of sound is affected by density. Will he be breaking the local speed of sound at the height in question, or the speed of sound down here on the ground? AlexTiefling (talk) 10:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support either if he breaks the record. Though I also propose that we have an alternate blurb for if he dies in his attempt.--WaltCip (talk) 14:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved it up here since there is no reason for this to be in Oct 9th. One more note to be made here is Highest manned balloon flight which will be broken at 113k feet. -- Ashish-g5517:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Glad I stuck with the live link, appears CNN broke from the live coverage right as he was about to jump. Not sure about others (BBC World News, MSNBC, Fox News, etc). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support regardless of sound barrier being broken. Record has stood for 52 years, I think we have enough room to include further human accomplishments of this nature when it happens again. - Floydianτ¢18:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - according to the BBC: "None of the new marks set by Baumgartner can be classed as "official" until approved by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale (FAI)". I don't know when that's likely to happen. Probably gives us a few hours to get the article in order. LukeSurltc19:01, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support I thought this was a little too cute-sy and niche interest when it was first nominated, but it's #1 on my Google News page in addition to many top publications individually, and it's blowing up Twitter and my Facebook feed. That's enough for me to see it's beyond a small audience. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:10, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment BBC report suggests he made 833.9 miles per hour, smashing the sound barrier. And he landed on his feet, from 128,000 feet. The last fact alone should be on ITN, let alone the speed of sound record!! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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