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Question from Expaticer81 (13:39, 17 June 2024)

Hey there. Can you show me where I can find the boxes for language skills for the user page? And how can I insert them?

Greetings, Expaticer --Expaticer81 (talk) 13:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Expaticer81 Hello! Is this what you're after? Wikipedia:Babel/List. Just copypaste the relevant code and put it on your userpage. More at Wikipedia:Userboxes. For example, {{User de-3}} turns into

de-3Dieser Benutzer hat sehr gute Deutschkenntnisse.

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, thank you very much! Expaticer81 (talk) 13:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Samuel

Some time ago you suggested I should watch The Story of David. I did. It's taken a while for me to make a comprehensive review/reply, the main reason being that the story of the young 'Samuel in the Temple' is my favourite story ever from that book. "Samuel. Samuel!" "What is it, master? Why did you call me?" "I didn't call you. Go back to sleep." Etc. Thus Eli. But in the film Shmuel is portrayed as anointing David in his sleep, making him king by a subterfuge, without his acceptance or acknowledgement. Which in my view is the ultimate crime. Is the case? I don't know or care, but that film shattered my last remaining childhood link to my parents' religion. Which I suppose is good, but it takes time. MinorProphet (talk) 16:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Canvassing discussion - using AI to summarise

Hi @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, you look like you work in the closures area, or may simply be interested in this! you're the only person i've sent this to so far. We could potentially start using AI to assist with closures, you've likely seen AI expanding into various areas of life. For example as a mini-trial (or better term) I was thinking of a collapsible summary at the start of the canvassing discussion, with something like "Hi all, i see you've been waiting for a closure of for a week here's a gpt4o summary, while you're waiting, be warned it may contain hallucinations: 'Input: summarise this discussion please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Notifying_Wikiprojects_and_WP:CANVASS

Output: The discussion on the Wikipedia Village Pump (policy) page centers around whether notifying WikiProjects about relevant discussions constitutes inappropriate canvassing. Opinions vary, with some editors arguing that notifying relevant WikiProjects helps improve article quality by involving interested editors, while others caution against biased canvassing that could skew discussions. The consensus leans towards allowing notifications, provided they are neutral and not intended to influence outcomes unduly. The need for clear guidelines on appropriate notifications is emphasized to prevent misuse while encouraging collaborative improvement of articles.'

Actual closures still need close human supervision, but we can start using AI to automate elements of the process e.g. a timely first draft?"

What do you think? Hope editing going well, Tom B (talk) 18:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tpbradbury, hello! Per stuff like [1][2] my default assumption is that using AI in the WP-context is probably evil.

That said, this sounds like an interesting experiment. I think editors would be interested in a way that could speed up rfcl, IF (<- BIG if). Consider taking this to Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab), with an appnote at Wikipedia talk:Closure requests. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC:_The_Anti-Defamation_League could be another "test-case" and you could perhaps show a couple of "this is what the AI would have said" examples of closed cases. A few: [3][4][5]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

thanks for response, yes i was concerned some people are currently fearful of AI. I've done a few examples of skeleton article structures by AI, on some talkpages, and didn't get a massive response! i might leave it for a bit then go to idea lab, like you say. thanks again, Tom B (talk) 20:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

This could be interesting in the afd-area as well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

FYI ping to The Wordsmith in case reading long discussions [6] makes you want to try something new, though perhaps a little controversial. And thanks for taking on that mega-thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. It's an interesting idea, but I can't trust AI enough yet especially for something so important. It might be an interesting idea to analyze certain decisions after they've already been closed though. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 22:23, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

thank you, true. also it's not a case of using AI unsupervised ever. It's about using it to assist, it always requires close supervision given hallucinations, Tom B (talk) 08:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tpbradbury@The Wordsmith, if you're interested, I came across this [7] which I think is more ai-use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that is absolutely ChatGPT. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Kenya finance bill protests

Interested? Wår (talk) 06:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

My knee-jerk reaction is WP:SUSTAINED. Just because something is in the news now doesn't necessarily mean there should be a WP-article on it now. Glad Midsommar! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

How do you understand Current event in Wikipedia term? Wår (talk) 08:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Something ongoing that started fairly recently, like Anti-Defamation_League#Wikipedia_determination_of_unreliability? I don't think people generally refer to Israeli–Palestinian conflict as a current event. If a WP-article says "this is a current event", it's probably written wrong per MOS:CURRENT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok. That's in your own opinion. Thank you for your attention. Wår (talk) 09:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

If the article is not WP:SUSTAINED, Why have you not nominated it for deletion? Feel free to do so and see the article's talk page before doing it.

Best regards. Wår (talk) 09:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Just because you told me it exists I don’t have to afd it, I’m in no hurry to do so. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Great things happened here. Take a look at User_talk:Daniel Case#Urgent attention needed

I like your good gestures. Wår (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems to have been taken care of. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. Wår (talk) 18:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Appreciation

Some of the quotes on your userpage are really quite great; thanks for sharing them. 🌻 IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 19:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I like your Huxley. Reminds me of Michael Palin in Monty Python's The Meaning of Life. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for opinion

Hello @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I request you to participate at Chairperson#Requested move 16 June 2024. PadFoot2008 04:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look, but no immediate opinion springs to mind. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello

Talk:Simon_Ekpa#Ekpa leads Armed revolt.

I am much interested in war and conflict perspectives on Wikipedia. Nevertheless, you can object. Wår (talk) 06:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Charleen Kinser

On 30 June 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Charleen Kinser, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a mail-order catalogue offered a "Rocking Ram" toy, designed by Charleen Kinser, for US$1,600 in 1985? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charleen Kinser. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Charleen Kinser), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Mai Kanuri (King of Kanuri Enugu) (11:43, 5 July 2024)

I want my profile to be publish. Is it possible --Mai Kanuri (King of Kanuri Enugu) (talk) 11:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mai Kanuri (King of Kanuri Enugu), welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry, I don't have an informed opinion. Afaict, English Wikipedia has no idea what a Mai Kanuri is, and I see no mention of the title at Kanuri people.

You can try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nigeria, the people who hang out there may know more. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from EncreViolette (16:03, 9 July 2024)

Hello, and nice to meet you. I've created a few drafts for pages. I'm still not sure what happens next. I submitted one for review. (Draft:Frankenstein (2014 musical) There's some information that's needed that I don't have access to. I asked someone to send it, they sent it in Korean, neither they nor I can translate it. I've also created a draft for another musical called Cross Road. If it's not too much of a bother, may I ask what's needed for that one?

Sorry for bothering you. Thank you. --EncreViolette (talk) 16:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@EncreViolette Hello! On foreign languages you don't know, one method is to use google translate, hope for the best, and then ask in places like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea if someone can please check your writing for horrible errors. It's not perfect, but it can work fairly well. You have submitted Draft:Frankenstein (2014 musical) for review, what happens next is... you wait. A reviewer will eventually accept it or tell you why they won't.

On Draft:Cross Road (musical), that looks like a good start to me. If possible, you should improve the reception section. For any WP-article, your first hurdle is always WP:NOTABILITY, and in an article like this, the sources you want for that are often some kind of reviews. As long as you have at least 3-5 WP:N-good sources, things should be ok. Since I don't know Japanese and can't tell a Japanese The Times from a Japanese blog, I have no idea if you have that.

One thing you can do if you want is using Template:Interlanguage link if you know that some of the people you mention have ja-WP articles but not en-WP ones.

One example is Kento Kiuchi. You write it like so: {{ill|Kento Kiuchi|ja|木内健人}}.

Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks. (His name is actually Ki*no*uchi, but a lot of people confused that in Japanese as well). Thanks! EncreViolette (talk) 12:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

I have added more sources to the draft for Cross Road. I get the sense that a top-5 newspaper is an ideal source, and a "blog", or something that looks like a press release (because it doesn't have a byline?), would not be a good source. But real life is full of things in between that.

I've found a bunch of sources that are not top-5 papers, but not just blogs, either. They don't seem like hard-cutting journalism, but some had bylines. Some were interviews with the cast. There were some with amazing photos taken by the outlet's staff, with no credit besides "staff". They weren't hard-cutting journalism, but they're an indication that someone thinks people care about this show. (tl;dr), Are those good sources?

The top 5 papers seem to only cover the top 10 or so theatrical productions, out of hundreds every year. The magazine Musical had critics vote on the top musicals of 2023. 47 new productions received votes, and of my personal top 3, only one received any votes at all (the directors of the two productions that didn't get votes did get them, though). That's just an indication of how much theatre there is here. Should the top-5 newspapers cover more? I personally think they should, but I'm just one person. I have asked Broadway World and The Japan Times why they don't cover more theatre in Japan. I haven't yet gotten a response. Are the productions that didn't get covered by Musical's awards notable? One was from Korea and has had several runs, and probably more coverage, there, and might have had more international runs besides in Japan. It's on my list to make a page for, but not at the top since I don't speak Korean. The work itself seems notable just because of how many runs it's had. The other had a lot of press coverage, and a review in Musical, so I would try it, but since the source material has a page already, it's not at the top of my list.

I've added the interlanguage link that you suggested, and I will add more. I have started a page for Theater Creation, the venue. I need to do more research, but I find it interesting. I will probably be able to find more sources. EncreViolette (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Are those good sources? I have no idea. Some may be, some may be more or less WP:ABOUTSELF, etc. "Good" depends on context, and sources that do not support the case for WP:N may be useful anyway for various facts etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

> I've found a bunch of sources (online magazines and news outlets that seem to have replaced paper theatre magazines) that are not top-5 newspapers, but not just blogs, either. They don't seem like hard-cutting journalism, but some had bylines. Some were interviews with the cast. There were some with amazing photos taken by the outlet's staff, with no credit besides "staff". They weren't hard-cutting journalism, but they're an indication that someone thinks people care about this show.

What I'm asking is if what I just described would count for anything for notability. EncreViolette (talk) 08:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Like I said, I have no idea. They may be WP:BLOG-ish, WP:RSPDEADLINE-ish or something else-ish. They need to be independent and cover the article-subject in some detail. Use your best judgement, and assume that the reviewer will use their's. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

EncreViolette.tte, I have no idea why you have fixated on the notion of top 5 newspapers but that concept is of zero value on Wikipedia for evaluating sources. All we care about is reliability. If the top 2 newspaper in a given media market is a lying piece of trash, then we don't use it. If the #27 outlet upholds journalistic standards, then we use it. Cullen328 (talk) 09:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

What I mean is that the newspapers of record here do not cover theater as extensively as the New York Times does. Some people were saying that if it isn't in a national newspaper of record, it isn't notable. I searched the theater sections of those newspapers, and saw that only a very, very small portion of plays are covered by them, and that some that are not do already have English Wikipedia pages.

The anime and manga project lists the source I've found as reliable, even though it isn't one of the three newspapers listed for Japan on the newspapers of record page. I guess my question has been answered. Thank you. I hope the pages make it through review. EncreViolette (talk) 11:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the link to the list. I hadn't seen that list before. It gives me a better idea of what to look for. EncreViolette (talk) 11:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Great, that's what it's for! While it may seem like a huuuge list, it's actually a drop in the ocean. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Jeri1984 (07:27, 19 July 2024)

I want to create a Wikipedia page, not edit one, How do I do that? --Jeri1984 (talk) 07:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jeri1984 Hello! Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.

That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. If you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't."

As an example, when I start drafting an article, I begin something like this: [8]. Get the sources in there, then re-read them, then start adding text, citing as you go along. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 21

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Noting that it was on purpose. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from MV Moosa (12:47, 2 August 2024)

Hello Gråbergs Gråa Sång

I am new to Wiki and you are my assigned Mentor. Thank you! :)

A colleague of mine asked looked at my Wiki profile, (In my name which is Mohseen Moosa). He asked me to log on and repair/edit it because it was inaccurate not a proper reflection of my background, education and my bio history.

I did the edit a little while ago and a user said I must give sources. So I went back to instead to the edit on visual which shows my involvement in the edit. Another user then removed that edit.

They both have said I should ask an independent person to review my edit. Are you the right person to do that, or if not, how do I go about doing the edit.

I have not written anything incorrect or controversial, its just my own life story and short biography and its a very neutral, honest and fair bio.

Can you guide me?

I am happy to send it to you to have a look at it.

Kind Regards Mohseen --MV Moosa (talk) 12:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@MV Moosa Hello. In short, stop editing the article. Take the time to read WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, WP:COI and WP:BLP. A WP-article about you is not supposed to be written by you, that is sort of the point of this website.

A WP-article about you is supposed to be a summary of published and cited WP:RS that are independent of you, it is not your social media, or part of your PR. No good published source, no article content. This [9] doesn't work at all because there are no cited sources, WP:PUFFERY and other reasons. "Because I say I am Mohseen Moosa" doesn't work here, that is what your own websites are for.

You can make suggestions at Talk:Mohseen Moosa, and if other editors think they are good, they may act on them at some point. This may not be quick, since almost everybody you "meet" here has WP as a hobby.

Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidance Gråbergs Gråa Sång .

I will place the edits on the talk page and wait for suggestions. That seems like a sensible way to do it. Please will you also have a look at it for me.

I was just recently made aware of the content by a colleague.

Some of the content on the page is just factually incorrect and makes WP look sloppy and unprofessional. Like for example, I AM NOT MARRIED TO DAPHNE NEETHLING!, she is my life partner, I never had a 5 year sentence!, my name is spelt incorrectly!, I was not born in Lenasia!, The reasons for the liquidation of African Romance are incorrectly cited! and there is a whole lot more to me than 9 years in politics! I am 61 years old. I am a winemaker, and a farmer etc ... LOL :)

So as you can see that WP is really sloppy if it persists with these kinds of inaccuracies and if they require "sources" to verify that I am not married to a person, or where I am born. How do I provide a source to show I am not married to a person, or that I was not born in Lenasia etc.

I am going to a dinner with friends now, I will upload my edits to the talk page after that.

Once again, thank you for your kind assistance.

Best Regards

Mohseen MV Moosa (talk) 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@MV Moosa I will take a look. And yes, Wikipedia can often be sloppy and unprofessional, Wikipedians tend to edit what they please when they please. English Wikipedia has about 6,9 million articles and about 114 thousand active editors, so there is a lot of things that don't get a lot of attention. However we do like to get things reasonably right too, especially when it's about living people. Ping to @Materialscientist and @ToBeFree if you want to involve yourselves. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping. I have removed the most severe issues and would hope for MV Moosa to make an edit request on the article's talk page for something more specific than replacing the entire article. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Btw, WP:A picture of you may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Newforgood (15:59, 6 August 2024)

I am the founder of a brand of hop water, which is a non-alcoholic alternative to beer. (Food & Drink) I am therefore bias. I do however feel that there should be a Wikipedia page on "Hop Water." but there is not currently. It is s frequently searched term on Google and other search engines. Currently its the fastest growing style of beer in the US, but is small relatively at the moment. If a page is created, I would want it to be unbiased per Wikipedia guidelines. What is the best way to go about finding a neutral author? I made the mistake of hiring a neutral author on Upwork and the page was immediately taken down due to the credentials of that party, but not because it was biased. (as far as I can tell) Thank you in advance for your guidance. --Newforgood (talk) 15:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Newforgood Welcome! What are the 3-5 best sources you know that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of people like yourself, and about hop water in some detail? This excludes blogs, wikis, hop water makers websites, etc etc. Fwiw, you caught my interest, I've edited kombucha a bit. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Btw, the default assumption around here is that anyone offering to edit WP for money is probably a WP:SCAM, but I don't know what you were promised. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

As an example, this is the kind of source that will make a WP-article "stick": [10]. One is not enough, but it's a start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for supplying the link This is one of the many articles written about the hop water category. That article included my brand as well as many others. Should I just reach out to the authors who have published these stories and point out that there is not a Wikipedia page on "hop water" and see if they would be interested in independently publishing/ authoring one? Newforgood (talk) 16:27, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Newforgood I will take a shot at this, I'll get back to you within a week or so. WP is my hobby, so it won't cost you anything.

But again, feel free to mention/link any good sources you can think of. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Here is the work that the independent researcher did. This should help you with sources.

Hop water is a non-alcoholic carbonated beverage made by infusing hops into water, providing a non-alcoholic alternative to traditional beer. Unlike other types of non-alcoholic beer, hop water typically has zero calories with 0.0% alcohol, and is gluten free.

== History ==

Hop water first started selling in the early 2010s. Paul Tecker of H2OPS, a California-based company, introduced one of the earliest versions of hop water in 2014, using hops steeped in water to create a carbonated beverage with the bitterness and aroma of beer but without the alcohol content.

Subsequently, other breweries and beverage companies began producing hop-infused sparkling waters, leading to more hop water brands appearing in the market.

According to NielsenIQ, hop water is one of the fastest-growing drinks in the non-alcoholic beverage category. Notable hop water brands include H2OPS, Hoplark, Lagunitas, Sierra Nevada, Summer State HOP WTR, and Athletic Brewing.

== Preparation ==

It is typically made by steeping hops in water or infusing them into the beverage through various methods. Some brewers may use whole hop cones, while others utilize hop oil or extracts.

Additional ingredients such as yeast, citric acid, or natural flavors may also be added to enhance the taste of the beverage. The beverage is available in different flavors derived from the various hop varieties used in its production. Flavors can include citrus, pine, tropical fruit or floral, depending on the specific hops used.

== References ==

1.     ^ "Hop water: A new non-alcoholic beverage trend". NIQ. 2022-10-19. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

2.     ^ "WTH Is Hop Water & Why Is It So Popular?". Delish. 2024-02-13. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

3.     ^ Johnston, David (2023-06-28). "Is Hop Water the Best Non-Alcoholic Alternative to Beer?". Men's Journal. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

4.     ^ https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/andrew-coppolino-seltzers-1.6017623

5.     ^ Punch. "Your N/A Cocktail's Secret Weapon: Hop Water". PUNCH. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

6.     ^ "Hop Water: The Sober, Health-Conscious Alternative". Flavorman. 2023-03-29. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

7.     ^ Furnari, Chris. "Hoppy Hydration: Non-Alc Seltzers Made With Beer's Bittering Agent Provide Alternative To Alcohol". Forbes. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

8.     ^ "Is Hop Water the Best Non-Alcoholic Alternative to Beer?". Yahoo Life. 2023-06-28. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

9.     ^ Weitz, Grace (2023-08-15). "Hop Water Makes a Big Splash Into Non-Alcoholic Beer". Hop Culture. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

10.  ^ Sauter, Em (2023-10-09). "Why Hop Water is Great for Breweries and Consumers - All About Beer". Retrieved 2024-04-12.

11.  ^ https://nielseniq.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2022/10/32779-beval-hop-water-infographic-d02.jpg

12.  ^ Punch. "What Is Hop Water Trying to Be?". PUNCH. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

13.  ^ "Hop water: A new non-alcoholic beverage trend". NIQ. 2022-10-19. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

14.  ^ "Hop Water Isn't Trying to Be Beer. That's Why We Like It". The New York Times. 2024-01-05. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

15.  ^ Mason, Jessica (2024-04-09). "Siren taps into the hop water trend with first release". The Drinks Business. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

16.  ^ https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=97604746&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch

17.  ^ "Making Hop Water at Home! | MoreBeer". www.morebeer.com. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

18.  ^ Lambert, Amy (2024-01-16). "Hop Water – A refreshing sparkling minerally hopped infused water, with zero alcohol and zero sugar". Prancing Pony Brewery. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

19.  ^ Process, Mandy Naglich Taste of Home's Editorial (2023-11-06). "What Is Hop Water?". Taste of Home. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

20.  ^ "Hop Water". Brew Your Own. Retrieved 2024-04-12. Newforgood (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you in advance for tackling this and please take your own approach. Having a familiarization of Kombucha is a good background, considering that this is a beverage type that is unfamiliar to many. Hop water is different from Kombucha however in that it is not fermented. Both however are used as alternatives to alcohol. Best wishes. Newforgood (talk) 17:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Newforgood, Hop water is now an article. Like everything else around here, it's a work in progress. You (or your minions) should not edit it directly yourself (outside WP:COIADVICE), but you are welcome to make suggestions at Talk:Hop water. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Wow - that is a very robust start to the page. Nice work! The only suggestion is that I would spell out "low calories" instead of using "low-calory" Is that an edit I should or could make or am I too biased to suggest edits to this page? Newforgood (talk) 18:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Apologies - I have now noticed that advice is to not edit, but can make suggestions via talk. Thank you! Newforgood (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Btw, if you're in a position to take a pic like this [11], or perhaps a pic of hop water production, it would fit the article well. You can upload pics you have taken yourself with your own camera here:[12] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I have uploaded 2 photos which I took with my iphone.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Newforgood#c-Wikimedia_Commons_Welcome-20240814174100

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Hop_Water_in_a_Glass.jpg Newforgood (talk) 18:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Your userpage

Popping in to say that I appreciated the quotes on your userpage - an interesting look at the project from the outside inwards and the inside outwards, presented without an commentary to detract from it. Rusalkii (talk) 04:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rusalkii Thank you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)