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Music

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Been thinking recently about how much Wikipedia does act as a social network, and how valuable that can be. Articles aren't social media, of course, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and a community, and healthy volunteer communities need to foster forms of communication that aren't strictly "talking shop". In that spirit, how about some music talk. Might just be me sharing, but who knows.

What I'm listening to

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Occasionally sharing songs/albums that I find myself listening to repeatedly. Starting this at the end of 2022, so here's what I've been listening to this year. And yeah, it's all over the place.

December 2022

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  • The Window of Appearances (Act 1 Scene 3) from Akhenaten (spotify is a little closer to what I heard, but it's also on youtube - Seeing Akhenaten at the Metropolitan Opera was one of my most memorable experiences this year. I knew almost nothing about it, haven't seen an opera since seeing one against my will as a child, but it just looked like such an unusual spectacle. Not only was the set and production outstanding, but I found myself listening to the music repeatedly ever since. This track is when Akhenaten sings for the first time. He's just been crowned pharaoh and makes his "appearance". Without expectations, his voice was immediately striking. I wasn't prepared for a countertenor (Anthony Ross Costanzo in this case) in that role (i.e. much higher than I would've thought). I don't have the classical vocabulary to talk about it properly, but the way the repetitive nature of the music shifts and intensifies from minor changes, with other voices coming in, was really powerful and shifted my undestanding of what I was getting into.
  • Cool by Uffie (spotify youtube) - Great pop song, with pacing and infectious bass line that's just, well, really cool.
  • Sunglasses At Night by Corey Hart (spotify youtube) - Heard the synth line sampled in another song and it drove me nuts I couldn't remember what it was from. Finally tracked it down and relearned how much this track slaps. Started a trend in my house of trying to turn random "a" sounds scratchy and loud.
  • I've Seen Footage by Death Grips (spotify youtube) - Not going to be for everyone, but weird, hard, noisy, danceable hip hop scratches an itch.
  • Is There a Ghost by Band of Horses (spotify youtube) - Band of Horses' Everything All the Time was one of my favorite albums about 15 years ago, and I realized I hadn't paid much attention to them since. Decided to see what they've been up to and was happy I did. Solid indie rock, maybe with some southern influence, that's catchy as hell.
  • Pecking Order by Too Many Zooz (spotify youtube) - They call themselves "brass house", seemingly structuring their brass jazz like house music, and it works for me. This song isn't actually a big stand-out, but I had trouble choosing one.
  • Pineapple Suite by Cristobal Tapia de Veer (from The White Lotus) (spotify youtube) - I was just really impressed by the soundtrack of White Lotus and wound up listening to it when the show was done.
  • Hairy Candy by Tobacco (spotify youtube) - Tobacco's the guy from Black Moth Super Rainbow, and this sounds, well, exactly like BMSR. Fuzzy, psychedelic electronica with repetitive lyrics that function like another instrument.
  • Miss You by Oliver Tree (spotify youtube) - I've had about enough of the musician-as-meme/clickbait schtick, and find Tree a bit whiny, but this song is just really catchy.
  • Blazing Arrow by Blackalicious (spotify youtube) - Blackalicious's Gift of Gab was just really really good at coming up with complex rhymes that wind up as an impressive song rather than a gimmick. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 2023

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  • Blade Runner 2049 by Synthwave Goose (spotify) - I've added a lot of Synthwave Goose tracks to my background/working playlists recently. It is what it says on the tin, basically: synthwave done pretty well.
  • Fantasy Trash Wave by Tobacco (spotify) - Didn't realize I listed a Tobacco track above, but oh well. A bit muddier and darker than BMSR, I'd say, but similar sound.
  • Rita Lee by Os Mutantes (spotify) - Rita Lee died recently, and I found myself on an Os Mutantes kick. I listened to them a lot 2005-2007, but not much since then, so it was good to go back through the catalog on Spotify.
  • Top Top by Os Mutantes (spotify) - Rita Lee isn't actually on the song named after her, so how about one of my favorite Mutantes tracks, too.
  • Mustn't Hurry by Fever Ray (spotify) - Had the chance to see Fever Ray at Terminal 5 recently, and this was the track that I loved when I heard it live but hadn't paid much attention to on the album. Fever Ray's second album has a lot of loud, bouncy, vaguely punk electropop that drew my attention, but this is a great slow build.
  • Sliver by Nirvana (spotify) - Not my favorite song, but there are a bunch of "deep cut" Nirvana tracks that I realized I never looked up to see what the lyrics are and the chorus to this one is .... "grandma take me home"!!
  • Prisencolinensinainciusol by Adriano Celentano (spotify) - Yes, I was reminded of this by an episode of Ted Lasso during it's [horribly disappointing] final season (alright). I'd heard it before as kind of a novelty and learned in the show that it's actually kind of a banger (alright).
  • Badala Zamana by Zohra (spotify) - Found this one from a spotify station starting with Prisencolinensinainciusol, and just found it really light and fun.
  • Miss You by Oliver Tree (spotify) - I find that Oliver Tree's musical-personal-as-living-meme schtick comes off as desperate more than funny, and it distracts from the fact that he really can write an extremely catchy whiny pop song.
  • We Have Explosive by Future Sound of London (spotify) - Loud, mid-90s techno anyone? Anyone? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July 2024

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  • Punk Rock Loser by Viagra Boys (spotify youtube). Filed under "they still make this kind of music?" Swedish post-punk band that seems to really enjoy making fun of manosphere-like themes, singing about sports and cowboys and being dumb and trying to be cool with all the blasé and irony of the best Williamsburg barista.
  • This Town by The Go-Go's (spotify). I'm very, very late to the Go-Go's train. Been humming this one on and off for a month.
  • Cool Jerk by The Capitols (spotify), which I've recently discovered is the best karaoke song.
  • Money Folder by Madvillain remixed by Four Tet (spotify). Madvillainy is an excellent album, but I find that I only ever listen to Four Tet's remixes anymore, which just ramp up the energy and musical weirdness.
  • Power! To the People by The Make-Up (spotify). When I first came across The Make-Up circa 2003, they just seemed like they were trying too hard to be 70s-cool to the point it all came off as affectation rather than inspiration. Couldn't say what happened, but it works for me 20 years later.
  • Mnemophobia by Brainstory (spotify). Smooth, catchy r&b falsetto + electric guitar + harmonies.
  • Nobody Speak (youtube) & Blockbuster Night, Pt. 1 (spotify) by Run the Jewels. Run the Jewels go hard -- the music, the often hilarious insults and braggadocio, and social commentary. Nobody Speak was my introduction, with an excellent video.
  • Fingerbib by Alarm Will Sound (spotify), just a great orchestral cover of Aphex Twin.
  • Such a Lovely Thing by DeVotchKa (spotify). I don't remember who they opened for, but I saw DeVotchKa at some live show back in ~2005 and they were clearly the most memorable thing about that concert. Most of How It Ends is excellent. The fun instrumentation could easily slip into saccharine indie pop, but Nick Urata's absolutely-always-earnest-and-passionate vocals keep it grounded. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I should be listening to (and what you're listening to)

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Open to anyone.

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Well congrats! This proves that you are just as certifiable as the rest of us! And I thought that I was nerdy when I saw that one article had a totally needless fair use image and another one had a really crappy image. So I spent some quality camera time with my old LP collection and made new Commons:Categories for these two rather uninteresting and rarely viewed subjects. (No, I don't stalk your edits, and I rarely visit Twitter now, but when TFG gets indicted you have to take a look at what the site makes of it. ;-) Just in time for your announcement there.) cart-Talk 21:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And I thought that I was nerdy - No argument from me. :) Nice job illustrating cataloging systems there! Regarding SatanCon, I was more excited than I'd like to admit when I realized the milestone was coming and found a fitting topic. Woke up early (before my alarm, even), and wound up refreshing {{numberofarticles}} for ... a while, before publishing. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 22:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

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Such a pleasure to meet you at Wikiconference North America! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the future of Wikipedia... and covering my dinner ^_^ Really looking forward to seeing you at more conferences/gatherings/Future Audiences community calls!

Accedietalk to me 23:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great to meet you, too, Accedie! Thanks for your sessions. I'm on the WikiFuturist list now -- looking forward [ahem] to hearing more. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 02:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Younger generations

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I was thinking of something you said when we talked last? An idea has kind of been bouncing around my head the past few days... maybe I could go around interviewing people around my age and seeing what we have in common and what we don't. Asking questions like

  • When did you start editing Wikipedia?
  • Why did you start editing Wikipedia?
  • If you could go back in time, what do you think would've helped you be a better editor?
  • Did you have help as a new editor? What worked and what didn't?
  • As a new editor, were you aware that there was a community behind the scenes?
  • Do you think you'll keep editing for the foreseeable future?
  • Were you involved with WikiEd? If so, what was that like?
  • Have you ever edited on mobile? Why or why not?

I think the cumulative effect of asking these questions might be useful. What do you think? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Clovermoss: - cumulative effect of asking these questions might be useful - Could be. Something I've found interesting is how wikiphilosophies seem to evolve with each "generation" of Wikipedians. If we think of Wikipedia's 22 years as being four generations, I guess I'm in the second generation. When I got here, my take on things like deletion, blocking, immediatism, etc. was a bit different from some of the old timers. These days I find that the newer generations make me feel like one of those old-timers (and I guess I am?). To reduce what I mean to a single example, back in 2013 I was most often called a deletionist. These days, though I don't feel like my take on deletion has changed that much, I find myself lumped in more often with the inclusionists (to the extent those sides even exist at all, of course). To your questions, there's one in there about Wiki Ed, which sure seems like it's intended for me, but I don't think I'd be included in the "people around my age" that you started with. :) Happy to answer if it would be helpful, though. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the WikiEd question was directed at you :) Since I've never really interacted with that side of the community, I was curious about the similarities and differences we face. Ever since you said something about how people can struggle even with a ton of resources at their disposal... I just went on to this whole train of thought full of ideas. Is it possible that you might have some idea of how I could connect with some students working with WikiEd? I really think it'd be insightful to interview some if they're open to that but I have no idea where to start. I like to plan things out a bit before I actually go about doing things. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's okay if you don't really know if that's possible, though. Even if you could point me in the direction of someone who might be able to that'd be useful. Regardless, it was nice to meet you and I appreciate everything we've talked about. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Clovermoss: Late reply, sorry.
Is it possible that you might have some idea of how I could connect with some students working with WikiEd? - You can always head over to dashboard.wikiedu.org, where you can find all the classes active in a given semester (and all of the courses Wiki Ed has supported since ~2015). You might have more luck reaching out to the professors, though, who can then connect you with interested students.
Some brief other answers:
When did you start editing Wikipedia? - 2007. A professor had us edit Wikipedia. I was fascinating by how much of a garbage fire it wasn't, and set out to study it. Highly active editing came a few years later.
If you could go back in time, what do you think would've helped you be a better editor? - I don't think I'd change anything, now that I think about it. There were times that I had different ideas of "what a Good Wikipedia ought to do" but in hindsight that's mostly nonsense. I did exactly what I wanted to do on Wikipedia at each stage, I suppose. If the question were "what advice would I give myself" it would probably be to think about anonymity a little more.
Did you have help as a new editor? What worked and what didn't? - I was an atypical newbie in that I spent a long time reading and researching before diving into editing, so I didn't need too much help. I learned from some veterans when I was researching, and when I solicited feedback on my first article. The names FT2, Dana Boomer, Wikid77, and DGG come to mind as early, helpful interactions (sadly now one is deceased, one long-inactive, and one banned).
Do you think you'll keep editing for the foreseeable future? - Yes. There have been a few discussions and trends over the past few years that I've found discouraging/demotivating, but there's just too much that I like about this place.
Were you involved with WikiEd? If so, what was that like? - It was overall a very positive experience. I was already teaching with Wikipedia and they needed an interim program manager shortly after my last semester teaching... then I stuck around for five years. Generally positive. It reframed my relationship to Wikipedia a bit as it meant I was no longer purely a volunteer (even if I separated my work and volunteer accounts), but I didn't let it affect my editing all that much. There were a bunch of layoffs early in the pandemic, which included me. The upside is it gave me time to finish my dissertation. :)
Have you ever edited on mobile? Why or why not? - Almost never. It's just too hard with a tiny screen. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mind the late reply. Thanks for your input :) I will check out the dashboard. Do you mind if I mention your answers to my interview questions in a userspace essay? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Clovermoss: Thumbs up icon No I don't mind (thanks for asking). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 20:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And thank you for humouring me with the answers. :) If you want to check out the future progress of all this, it's at User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Apennine Colossus

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For your barn

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The Oddball Barnstar
Thank you for all of your delightfully unusual articles, most especially BRAAAM and urinal target. gobonobo + c 16:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ha. Thanks, Gobonobo. I realize now that I'm at risk of developing an accidental focus area after recently starting Bryant Park restroom. I'll just pretend like I haven't noticed there isn't an article for urinal partitions and poor coverage of the "powder room" section of women's restrooms. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award

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Citation Barnstar

This award is given in recognition to Rhododendrites for collecting more than 50 points during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's FEB24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing 14,300 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – – DreamRimmer (talk) 18:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Clementine

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More on Maher

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This wasn't so bad:[1] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/American robin

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To expand upon what I said at AfD

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If you wish, I could email you the bibliographies of the books I have on JWs, if that would convince you more than what I said at the AfD. I'm all for informed choices in discussions. Alternatively I could try and improve Jehovah's Witnesses publications instead where the focus was meant to be on publications that are actually mentioned by secondary sources (which was not the intended purpose of List of Watch Tower Society publications.) There are slightly more passing mentions to publications apart from the Watchtower and Awake!, but not nearly enough for a spinoff list in my opinion. When you're actually reading the text and not just the bibliography in isolation, this observation is much more noticeable. But I could highlight all of the JW publications mentioned in the bibliographies for you if you wish. I'm not sure I should even try to go about improving Jehovah's Witnesses publications (which lacks much secondary sourcing to begin with) because the passing mentions would require me to make it a list and the recent move discussion I started decided against that, with the main argument being that such a move would risk an AfD (which is a line of thought I don't follow, but what can I do)? I really have been trying to reduce the reliance on primary sources in the JW topic area but sometimes it can get a bit disheartening. Anyways, the books I have are:

  • Jehovah's Witnesses: A New Introduction by George Chryssides
  • State and Salvation by William Kaplan
  • Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich by James Penton
  • Apocalypse Delayed, also by Penton
  • Jehovah's Witnesses and the Nazis by Michel Reynaud and Sylvie Graffard
  • Crisis of Allegiance by James Beverly
  • Judging Jehovah's Witnesses by Shawn Francis Peters
  • Jehovah's Witnesses and the Secular World by Zoe Knox
  • Dissent on the Margins by Emily Baran

One of the difficulties is that people rarely write about JW beliefs in isolation and usually focus on other themes like legislation that impacted JWs or government interactions. Bibliography of works on Jehovah's Witnesses shows some of the works I don't have, for comparison. As far as I can tell, Jehovah's Witnesses: A Comprehensive and Selectively Annotated Bibliography is a work that focuses on literature published by others, not by JWs. Counting the Days to Armageddon: The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Second Presence of Christ [2] might be more promising if I could get my hands on it someday. Anyways, that's why I've been relying on Chrysiddes so much in edits like these. As the jstor article mentions in the link I posted at the AfD itself, there isn't much scholarship on JW culture or the historiography of their publications. It's not really something that has been done, even if you find such an idea shocking. I also don't think we need two separate duplicative pages on the same topic. I figured the one that already doesn't cite any secondary sources at all would be the less controversial one to delete but given how this AfD is going, I suppose it isn't. I wish the arguments were stronger – I don't understand when people will say things like an article is well-sourced when it isn't or your argument that sources must exist without providing them. But I also don't want to drown out other people's commentary. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you ever do find something when you have more time, keep me in mind? I'd be genuinely interested in such content. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Clamshell dress

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@Premeditated Chaos: Someone nominated it on enwp, too, FYI. Maybe you can get a whole McMain Page sometime. :) — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That'd be fun! Thanks again :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Tree swallow

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Commons open letter

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The link to the open letter at Commons mentioned at Wales' talk page may be mislinked. It presently goes here. Thanks for bringing up the topic, and wondering exactly how much funding would be needed to accomplish everything Commons is asking for. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! Fixed now. Thanks, Randy Kryn. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Black Lives Matter art

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Your GA nomination of Yol Aularong

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Removal of sourced information

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Why did you remove information in the article? Donald J. Harris is known as an economist who is influenced by post-Keynesian economics and Marxist economics. None of those terms are slurs or POV-pushing.

Multiple reliable sources describe him as a "post-Keynesian scholar", "Marxist scholar", and a "heterodox economist" who is "influenced by Marxism and post-Keynesian thought". I'm confused on why you deleted it. KlayCax (talk) 00:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marxism is additionally not an insult, as you are suggesting, but a way of interpreting economics and the relation between capital and labor. KlayCax (talk) 00:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You edited her father's article, adding "Marxian economist" to the very first sentence citing a paper he wrote on Marxian economics. Writing a paper about a subject is not sufficient to highlight one descriptor above all else. That it was immediately after wedging "Marxist" (not even "Marxian") into the lead of Kamala Harris biography betrays an obvious POV. Regarding "it's not an insult", I do not believe that you do not know one of our two political parties has been casting anything related to Marx as bogeymen and then, of course, trying to cast opponents as Marxist. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 00:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Responded on the article's talk page. But your argument seems to be that we should dumb or remove information from the article because some people are idiots. That's something we shouldn't do.
I also added that they weren't close together + don't talk + have a frictional relationship. KlayCax (talk) 02:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Cable Car Cinema

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Hmm

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I just looked at your list of things you listen to--I'm very ignorant. Anyway, I had two questions for you. First, your block log is clean: would you like for me to change that? Just for the hell of it? It's like a cool scar. Second, can I vote you in for ArbCom or something like that? Change of pace! Drmies (talk) 17:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: #What_I_should_be_listening_to_(and_what_you're_listening_to) awaits you. Also I didn't realize I hadn't updated that section in a year. I mean really, at this stage, just the fact that I'm aware of any music from the last 5-10 years is kind of a miracle. :)
As for your questions, thanks for the offer but I think I'll go ahead and pass on both scars. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Donald J. Harris

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Hello. Why can't we call Don Harris a "marxist economist". A reputable source like The Economist calls him exactly that. Smells like bias to me?--Afus199620 (talk) 16:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Afus199620: An article should summarize the body of literature about a person. Since his daughter became the presumptive democratic nominee, there have been probably 10 different attempts to insert the word "Marxist" into her father's biography (and other articles) with little to no attempt to actually improve the article. Bias is searching out a term that resonates with one side of a culture war, finding sources that use that term, and adding only those to the article. Neutrality is taking all of the best sources about a subject and summarizing them, describing various aspects of the subject in proportion to their presence in the literature. If you searching out sources to call him a Marxist, you're failing at NPOV. To be clear: yes of course he draws on and was influenced by Marx. You can't really do economics + class + inequality without Marx. In fact, Marx is already mentioned multiple times in the article. I'm not even opposed to talking about him as a "Marxian economist" (which, again, isn't inaccurate) -- what I'm opposed to are these non-neutral drive-by insertions of "Marxist" with no attempt to present a proportional view of the subject. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 16:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rhododendrites: Fair point. But it should still be allowed to call him a Marxist economist when one of the biggest business magazines describes him as such. It is also very questionable and against neutrality to simply delete quotes from reputable sources for the simple suspicion that an editor is maybe biased. I am not biased. I was merely surprised that he is not labeled a Marxist when the Economist does so. Where are the sources for him not being a Marxist? The quote from The Economist should at least be under the section "Contributions to economic analysis and policy". I would therefore ask you not to undo my edit again this time. Greetings.--Afus199620 (talk) 16:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Economist is a reliable source, but that doesn't guarantee inclusion (see WP:ONUS). It would be surprising to find a source that says "he's not a Marxist", because he clearly is influenced by/uses Marx. Point is, there are a lot of sources about him which say a lot more than "he's a Marxist", including a lot which just don't talk about his relationship with Marx. Ignoring all of that to add "he's a Marxist" is not neutral. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But it should be allowed to write that he was described as a marxist by a source. Not every source about him has to call him a marxist for adding one sentence. It is relevant information for an economist. Why can you include reliable source A but not reliable source B? It seems to me very arbitrary. You can say that people who call him a Marxist are biased in some way and are searching for a source to call him a Marxist, but that's just a subjective opinion. Maybe people who are deleting every edit that brings Harris in direct relation to marxism are biased themselves. I find this argument just not convincing.--Afus199620 (talk) 18:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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