Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fabio Mancini (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete‎. In this discussion, it was editors who were arguing for Deletion that had arguments based in Wikipedia policy. Most editors who were arguing to Keep this article asserted that the subject was important but we don't base claims in editors' opinion but in reliable sources and the sources brought to the discussion were rejected for a variety of reasons. One editor proposed submitting an article on this subject in the Italian Wikipedia and then, once accepted, translating it for the English Wikipedia. But please know if you wish to pursue this option, please put your translation in Draft space and submit it for review to WP:AFC. If you put it directly into the main space, it could be deleted via speedy deletion as a CSD G4. If you have questions about this, I encourage you to bring them to the Teahouse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fabio Mancini

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This biography fails WP:GNG as it lacks WP:SUSTAINED direct and in-depth coverage. Gheus (talk) 01:27, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG. models.com is WP:USERGENERATED. Polygnotus (talk) 01:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You'd think an Italian supermodel would have an article on it-WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah:[1][2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

was deleted for no reason many years ago( you can check it here:https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Mancini_(modello)?uselang=it ) and nobody one try to open a new one. He have million of sources in Italian, but the question is, why some admin don't help to create and Italian one too? strange he have 15 different version no? just a simple question.. ;) @Polygnotus @Gråbergs Gråa Sång 151.35.228.55 (talk) 17:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)— 151.35.228.55 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep and Correct Hello everyone, to my opinion the article should stay and have to be correct in the wikipedia guidelines, because in the italian google he have milion of good articles and he's new life is ready to show his new book internationally today. We can help all here interested, to correct the page and took down all the sources and text who is not ok for the wiki rules. 88.45.185.68 (talk) 10:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)— 88.45.185.68 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 03:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
good morning everyone, can I ask you why you are deleting the page of a model who made the history of Italian fashion with one of the greatest stylists in the world? instead of deleting the article wouldn't it be better to complete it and put it in order? I study at the Marangoni University of Fashion, and Fabio Mancini is for us Italians one of the major points of reference for Italian men's fashion in the world. I think that a well-curated entry is the best solution instead of deleting it @CAPTAIN RAJU@Polygnotus@Gheus 109.52.120.95 (talk) 06:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)— 109.52.120.95 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Read WP:GNG. What are the 3 best sources you can think of that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of the subject and about the subject in some detail? Non-English sources can be used. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
actually in all the best models wikipedia profile are covered by models.com sources - references ( have a look in Naomi Campbell references / 2nd ref one MODELS.COM! , like in David Gandy's wiki page too / ref n.9 ). So the question is.. what problem have FABIO MANCINI ? why the Italian icon can't have it, and for the other models there are NO PROBLEMS? where is equality in Wikipedia guideline rules???? @Gråbergs Gråa Sång 151.35.228.55 (talk) 17:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)— 151.35.228.55 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment: A couple of better-than-passing-mention hits on ProQuest:[3][4]. This [5] also mentions him, but can't access it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that the latter 2 are The Daily Telegraph (Sydney)/The Sunday Telegraph (Sydney), may not be WP:BLP-good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Something:[6][7], same text in both. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Tennis player and race driver with similar names that pop up, nothing for this person. I did enjoy meeting this hottie [8], but that doesn't help. Daily Telegraph is a RS [9], but one article isn't enough. Oaktree b (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And it's paywalled, so I can't comment how good it is, I suspect it's an interview. Oaktree b (talk) 15:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same as this one:[10] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That Daily Telegraph might be a little iffy:Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_384#The_Daily_Telegraph_(Sydney) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Help: Hello everyone, everyday you all talk in the guideline about equalize the article. Can I ask how less than 550.000 images of this person in google will be not enough to have a wiki article? Guys sorry how is possible? he did 15 years of fashion show, advertising campaign in all the major billboards the world with GIORGIO ARMANI, and his totally an ICON in Italy and in the fashion industry of all the world???? How is possible Pietro Boselli who is a very cheap model in Italy have a wiki page in English? and did 2% of Mancini's Career? I think you have to check his socials (personal instagram with more than 360K and Facebook with less than 150K people all over the world ) to understand how is an icon for the fashion industry. Try to search Fabio Mancini-Giorgio Armani in google and you'll see what I'm trying to explain. Thank you all for the patience @Oaktree b @Gheus@Gråbergs Gråa Sång@CAPTAIN RAJU 151.35.228.55 (talk) 17:41, 9 September 2024 (UTC)— 151.35.228.55 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete per above. Fails GNG. C F A 💬 20:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from talkpage by Polygnotus (talk) 22:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fabio mancini is an internationally renowned model and his experience in my opinion deserves to be spread. he is a boy with values who can be an example for the new generations. the page could be corrected without deleting it. what do you think? Iolanda.chinellato (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2024 (UTC)— Iolanda.chinellato (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep/correct: I totally agree with you @Iolanda.chinellato We can help the community here to get a better page, because have no sense delete a page of a supermodel who everyone know in Italy and in the international fashion world. Make no sense. With the right article (I dont think he need 200 articles to prove is notoriety,just a few to have a good page, maybe little, but with the right informations will works). 88.45.185.68 (talk) 10:52, 10 September 2024 (UTC)— 88.45.185.68 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete fails WP:SUSTAINED and WP:ANYBIO; WP:SALTING is very much an option at this stage. SerialNumber54129 13:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Insufficient WP:DEPTH of coverage from reliable sources. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:31, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per GNG and WP:ANYBIO. If we're supposed to believe this is an "icon" who everyone in Italy knows, there would be at least an article on the Italian Wikipedia with some solid sources backing up those claims. Never a good sign when the socks come out in force like this. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 05:19, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe because the page was created in a promotional way and not in the wiki rules? What about the other 15 Pages translated? All the people are crazy then? And what about the 500.000 more pictures in Google? AI, Fantasy or maybe he is very important in the fashion business? 109.52.151.75 (talk) 12:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Hi everyone, I saw the Fabio Mancini (modello) page history, can someone here explain me why the italian version of Wikipedia mantain his italian page for more than 10 years before someone vandalize like the english version were talking in this topic? Maybe someone, dont want have him here without reason? maybe? Just a suppose. Waiting to your response , thank you 151.53.242.49 (talk) 16:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)— 151.53.242.49 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete I have seen many social media mentions (tiktok, lots of blogs and "fan" type web pages) but no serious sources. The best I got were some Aussie "news" stories connecting him to a gay relationship. If someone can find substantial articles in Italian newspapers or journals I will reconsider. I find the Italian sources to be all behind impenetrable paywalls. Lamona (talk) 04:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep and consider Dear @Lamona I find a lot of english sources and a lot of italian articles in the major online italian website and newspaper. We’re can I attached them to show you? I can try to add them in his wiki english sources or here? Because when I tried to write some link attached, I cant send the message here. Why we dont considerate all to create a wiki but I cannot understand why nobody one here ( admin in first who can help, create a wiki italian version - he was online for 10 y ) tried to clean and put in order the english one in our topic.
just a consideration, NOBODY ONE pay me for my opinion ( i say in his wiki page the suggestion who talk about payments ) 2A02:B121:8012:3C0C:8847:A9D3:6326:2607 (talk) 07:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)— 2A02:B121:8012:3C0C:8847:A9D3:6326:2607 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I don't know what the problem is for linking here, but you just copy the URL and paste it in your comment. Lamona (talk) 03:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Help Dear user, totally agree with you. We can try to save and help the community here to get a better page - in the wiki guidelines - and try to create a new one in the Italian version, where I can help if some admin need my help. But we need a squad work for this LuciaS23 (talk) 07:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)— LuciaS23 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Read WP:GNG. What are the 3 best sources you can think of that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of the subject and about the subject in some detail? Non-English sources can be used. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @Gråbergs Gråa SångI find 10 sources ( 2/3 strong — Forbes ) but I cannot share here, how i can show you? I cant attached here when I upload something LuciaS23 (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can just copy-paste the URLs here. Polygnotus (talk) 04:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TUTORIAL may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Try to Keep. Dear all, everytime I Copy and paste like you suggest me, the sistem cant upload the 10 link. I tried many times, but when I click on REPLY, the sistem reject my 10 links. What can I do? I have already the sources ready to have your opinion, if you want I can attached the sources directly under Fabio Mancini, wiki english page.

LuciaS23 (talk) 06:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are trying to link to famousbirthdays but that is not allowed. When you do it you should see a message near the top of the screen explaining that you can't link to that site. Can you post the other 9 links? Perhaps one by one? Polygnotus (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. As a rule of thumb, no website with "famous" or "celeb" in the name is useful around here. More at WP:FAMOUSBIRTHDAYS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you in first for you answer and comprehension.I find this two and step by step I Copy and paste the other ones:[11][12]

on Forbes LuciaS23 (talk) 08:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing now, but it's possible you're trying to add websites (at least one) that are on the Wikipedia:Spam blacklist. If so, you can't add those. Try smaller chunks, perhaps? Don't bother with WP:GNG-bad sources, it only wastes time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here the other ones: [13][14],[15],[16]

[17], and today Rizzoli Libri share on their enciclopedia authors profile the history of Fabio too, maybe will help: [18]

what you think? I’M trying to do my best for help you all

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång @Polygnotus LuciaS23 (talk) 08:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here another source where certificate and prove what I’m trying to explain and help to save the page by Friends of Europe [19]( I the list n.38) where you can see his nomination(career-bio)

Thank you for your time @Gråbergs Gråa Sång@Polygnotus LuciaS23 (talk) 09:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To make it easier to discuss these sources I've turned them into a numbered list:

thefashionisto - 3 sentences
forbes - a skincare ad where he is namedropped
americadomani - 3 sentences in a listicle
womanaroundtown - interview
fashionela - interview
wienermodels - some photos and measurements
imago-images - 1 sentence and a photo you can buy a license for
rizzolilibri - 3 sentences about him as a writer
friendsofeurope - Click the plus icon for a description on a list of so-called "European Young Leaders" made by a weird thinktank, see Friends of Europe

Polygnotus (talk) 09:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Find other 3:[20][21][22](num.38 on the european Young leaders profile) LuciaS23 (talk) 09:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ad, ad, comment on F of E below. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PolygnotusThank you for your faster reply, but you all asked me to find some prove and sources to certificate what I said, and I find it. About Friends of Europe, ‘call’ them ‘weird’ when they nominate by year the major personalities in Europe included: First Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs of various European Nations, various of the best european engineer, physicists & neuroscientist, Astronaut at the European Space Agency, major of the best sport personalities and in this case a supermodel, is not very fair. You can check it all the personalities in. LuciaS23 (talk) 10:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My view on this list:

thefashionisto - No WP:SIGCOV and looks like paid content.
forbes - WP:FORBESCON and not even close to WP:GNG.
americadomani - Doesn't look that bad, if this is a WP:RS it helps. I have no idea if it is.
womanaroundtown - A little non Q&A content (WP:INTERVIEW), but looks like a WP:BLOG.
fashionela - Ditto, possibly not as blog-ish
wienermodels - not independent, might have WP:ABOUTSELF use, but no help for this discussion
imago-images - webshop, doesn't help
rizzolilibri - His publisher. Not independent, might have WP:ABOUTSELF use, but no help for this discussion
friendsofeurope - Well, the WP-article Friends of Europe sucks. They are mentioned here:[23]. Not obviously helpful.

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, but big personalities are in there always.

anyway here other additional new sources find it on web [24] on Giorgio Armani Official Youtube channel,[25] on Vogue LuciaS23 (talk) 12:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+ [26] with various fashion article (8/9 inside the link) LuciaS23 (talk) 13:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've looked at the articles listed above and unfortunately not one meets the requirements that sources be reliable and substantial. What I see are short promotional paragraphs in fashion-oriented sources, interviews, and photo montages. None of these indicate notability as we define it in en.wikipedia. I suggest searching in mainstream newspapers and magazines. For example, I found this in Corriere della Sera. Unfortunately it is an interview, which means that they are his words about himself, not someone else speaking or writing about him. Also, a good source shows that the writer has done some research on the subject. Most of the web sites proposed mainly re-hash the same few facts (born in Germany, got started by chance, etc.). Even in the interviews there is much repetition. Note also that this person is young and may become more notable in the future, at which time an article would be warranted. Lamona (talk) 20:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Suggestion Dear @Lamona Thank you for your kind reply and consideration under our discussion about sources. If you are taking about English sources maybe you got it, (but there are many Pages of people not famous like him without a lot of source in wiki, and for his history its impossibile do not reconize him for the long works with Giorgio Armani(international adv on billboard in our city & tv commercial/and catwalk[27]for many many years - maybe he dont have many articles because is very private person and different then other models? I Guess if you see him on socials) but if you talk about italian sources on the italian Google, he have many many articles (not only interviews) about his amazing career and what is doing now with his humanitarian european school project where is nominate soon to became an ambassador of the new generation by the italian Parliament[28](source by italiano School/ministery of Education). He has written a book too with one of the major book company, and is not possible to see is notoriety, for my opinion. Why we dont creat all an italian version(where he had a lot of more stronger sources)and then traslate in English or complete the English one? Mine personal suggestion, simply opinion
LuciaS23 (talk) 21:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Few more sources: la Repubblica, and two Vanity Fair articles from 2019 and 2021.--Alienautic (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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