Bar count for repeated measures
As a 'cellist (amateur) we often have lots of repeated measures in a part. It would be really helpful there was a bar count option.
See page from the Nutcracker! (60 bars of identical note-sequences.)
Using Lyrics is frustrating as it wants to have a word on every note! Also Lyrics don't work with rests. Using text is similarly frustrating as one has to do the count manually.
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Lyrics do work with rests!
In reply to Lyrics do work with rests! by Jojo-Schmitz
When I use Lyrics, they jump the rests, and only take characters where the notes are (which is what you'd expect with a Lyric). In the example I posted, there are 6 notes per bar - so that's a lot of spaces needed to manually do the bar count, to move from bar to bar. Many bars have more notes, too!
Another point is that one really wants the bar count in the middle of each bar. There isn't always a note in the middle of the bar, so number placement is untidy. Of course one can move the number, but that can result in even more higgledy piggledy number location!
In reply to When I use Lyrics, they jump… by KMKelsey
Select rest, press Ctrl+L, enter lyrics syllable
But yes, lyrics is not what you should be using here
You could use section breaks at the places where you want to restart measure number
In reply to You could use section breaks… by Jojo-Schmitz
Isn't that what you want? Via menu Format / Style / Measure Numbers / etc. - image below
Or have I misunderstood something?
The "X" horizontal offset value (Position Above) is set to 7.00sp. (and in Bold character)
In reply to Isn't that what you want? … by cadiz1
Yes, but that alone wouldn't start counting from 1 at certain points
Or show measure numbers on all measures (see above) and adjusted the measure numbers at the places you want them to start with 1 again, via that measure's properties, by setting the measure number offset to minus the previous measure's number
In reply to Or shorw measure numbers on… by Jojo-Schmitz
Having numbers above ALL bars would reduce the space for, and the visibility of, musical directions, so I don't really think that's an option.
In reply to Having numbers above ALL… by KMKelsey
Your example does have numbers above all measures.
But that dialoge allows for other settings too, like measure number every 2nd or 3rd or... Measure
In reply to Your example does have… by Jojo-Schmitz
These might be more appropriate examples of the problem (also from Tchaikovsky, Nutcracker Suite). Few orchestral parts are so boring to play that the whole piece is filled with repeated measures! But some do overdo it, and it is very easy to lose the place, if repeated bars aren't numbered.
I use MuseScore to improve clarity of the parts, and also page turns (particularly during the early days of Covid, when getting back together, but only by using separate stands). Numbering every bar is unnecessary, and doesn't help clarity.
In reply to These might be more… by KMKelsey
These measure counts are very common in orchestral scores, and are very time consuming to reproduce in MuseScore. The numbers should be in the center of the measure, which is not something than can be done easily AFAIK)
In reply to These measure counts are… by graffesmusic
Use Format > Style > Text styles > Measure numbers and change the x-offset
Won't really center though, as that offset depends on measure width
In reply to Use Foormat > Style > Text… by Jojo-Schmitz
Manually changing the position of manually inserted text bar numbers is not tidy. Done it often enough to know! Finding untidy work-arounds really isn't ideal. How does one request a repeated-bar count option? I looked for a link, but haven't found one.
In reply to Manually changing the… by KMKelsey
On Github. Here https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore
You will need to create a (free) account to be able to add a feature request.
In reply to Use Foormat > Style > Text… by Jojo-Schmitz
Measure numbers cannot be used for this. The measure count of the entire score would be reset every time this technique is used.
Not to mention that it would be impossible when e.g. the 1st and 2nd trumpet start their repeated measure count at a different measure.
Gould p. 578: It is very helpful to number bars of repeated material, wheter the material is notated in full or with repeat-bar signs
We need something like https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/measure-and-multi-measure-repeats (number consecutive measure repats) , but for written out repeats.