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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors with "In the news"

For the Turkey terrorist attack item, there was some confusion about the blurb in the ITN/C discussion because users kept editing and switching the existing blurb in the template, rather than adding them as new altblurbs. Nevertheless, since this was nominated the Turkish military has conducted retaliatory airstrikes that caused more deaths than the original attack, so I think we need to mention both sides to maintain NPOV. Both events are described in the same bold-linked article. Could the blurb be updated to the one currently at ITN/C? Modest Genius ^talk 18:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Venezuelan players of American football

• ... that the only two Venezuelans ever to make the NFL, Pat Ragusa and Alan Pringle, played a combined total of four games?

It's easy to find a third – see Category:Venezuelan players of American football to discover José Borregales who played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The articles are wrong because they trust Reference.com which is obviously not such a reliable source. It's based in part on Wikipedia but doesn't seem to keep up. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Wrong on two counts I'm afraid. That reference is not Reference.com but Pro Football Reference, who (so far as I can tell) claim that Borregales never played a game. Pinging @BeanieFan11, Chipmunkdavis, and Crisco 1492: for their input.--Launchballer 10:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I looked into Pro Football Reference, and it is used uncritically by the NY Times[1], and I found good independent reviews albeit in places that I wouldn't use as RS [2]. CMD (talk) 11:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I've changed the hook to say "played for", which avoids the ambiguity of what it means to "make" the NFL. If you've signed for a team but never played in a game, does that count as "making" the league? Yeah, I think so. But more interestingly, https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4046356/jose-borregales and https://www.nfl.com/players/jose-borregales/ both say Borregales was born in Miami. RoySmith (talk) 14:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The nfl.com source says "hometown", not "born". They're two different things. RachelTensions (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

See Dolphins defeat Bucs after Jose Borregales FG hits upright. That's an NFL video which seems indisputable. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:56, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Borregales only played in a preseason game, which is generally not regarded as playing in an official NFL game. Pro-Football-Reference has generally been considered a reliable source. BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The NFL clearly regards such exhibition games as official. It requires players to play in them and fans to buy tickets for them, right? If you play in such an NFL game after signing with an NFL team, then you've clearly "made the NFL". Borregales is categorised in Tampa Bay Buccaneers players and so is in National Football League players. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The NFL does have fans buy tickets and players do play in them (though its generally the rookies and players trying to make the team for the regular season; experienced players often sit out) – however, in statistics, they're generally not counted (see e.g. Borregales' statistics page which lists him as playing in no games – also not included at Tampa Bay Buccaneers all-time roster). BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

"The NFL clearly regards such exhibition games as official. It requires players to play in them and fans to buy tickets for them, right?" That is what we call original research caused by lack of verifiability in reliable sources. The definition of an "exhibition match/game" is "a sports game that is not part of any league or official competition". Players can play in them, and fans can buy tickets for them, but that is not the definition of an "official" game—otherwise testimonial matches in association football would be regarded as official when in reality you have elderly men or children running around a pitch. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

"The NFL Preseason ... games do not count on the teams' official records for the season"[3]. RoySmith (talk) 15:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

They obviously don't count for a particular season because they are, by definition, pre-season. But the key point is that they are still NFL games, being billed and sold as such. And the hook is talking about the NFL in general, not a particular season. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The DYK hook doesn't mention anything about playing in regular season games, it says they're the only two to "make" the NFL. Borregales was on the roster of an NFL team, that's "making" the NFL. RachelTensions (talk) 18:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Although https://miamihurricanes.com/news/2023/10/12/fb-feature-andy-borregales-family-pride/ implies he was born in Venezuela (the article is mostly about José's younger brother Andy, but mentions José as well). RoySmith (talk) 14:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

[4] also says he moved to the US from Venezuela at age 6. RachelTensions (talk) 18:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Next-but-one DYK

• ... that Jumbo's became the first white-owned restaurant in Miami to serve and employ black people, beginning in the late 1960s?

That's a big and hard to prove claim. One reference says that most restaurants didn't employ blacks [5]. WLRN says that the ckaim is from the owners [6]. The New York Times also says "The owners say that Jumbo’s, in Miami’s Liberty City neighborhood, was the first white-owned restaurant to employ and serve blacks.". We are saying this in wikivoice! Secretlondon (talk) 15:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Tails Wx, Another Believer, Prince of Erebor, AirshipJungleman29, and Crisco 1492:. Strikes me that the simplest solution is to attribute.--Launchballer 15:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

• Attributed, with these edits.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's enough, because not only does the article still say it in wikivoice, but the then-owners sold it to a developer in 2014.--Launchballer 15:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

• Article now says "Owners claimed". I didn't do that part as the article isn't protected. The sale to developer, I think, doesn't really change that the persons voicing the claim were the owners. Unless the developer took the name, too, they aren't the owners of Jumbo's... they're the owner of the site. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

The NYT also has a quote "I can’t tell you for sure whether they were the first, second or third to integrate...", so yeah, saying this in wikivoice seems problematic. RoySmith (talk) 15:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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