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    Two drafts so far by editors:

    It would be lovely to help these students, the more so if their grades depend on it 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 16:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Medical drafts

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    In the past couple of hours there's been a flurry of drafts, probably some sort of (pre-med? medical sciences?) student assignment. So far I've spotted at least:

    A few of these have noted on their user pages that they are studying at the University of Hong Kong.

    BTW, should we be pinging these users when filing such reports, or not? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Pinging @Venuslui:, who used to help support education work in Hong Kong. Also pinging @無聊龍: and @だ＊ぜ:, who are listed as contacts for tutorials at m:Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong, so might be able to help. --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, User:DoubleGrazing. You and User:Jlwoodwa and I have looked at these drafts. I have posted the Student welcome on these user pages of the ones whose drafts I saw. The instructor may be User:G.J.ThomThom. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi there! Yes I'm the instructor. The topics for these articles came from Wikipedia's own list of requested articles for medicine. We consult one of the Wiki contacts in Hong Kong. What I'm learning is that some of the topics on the list of requested articles may already exist but use other terminology. This may explain why some of the articles the students draft don't make it to the main space. I'd be grateful for tips for how to navigate this better. Happy for any advice and guidance. G.J.ThomThom (talk) 18:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @G.J.ThomThom: Please read WP:ASSIGN if you have not read it already. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also Draft:Shortening of the eye muscle by Aalpaca92, possibly? jlwoodwa (talk) 17:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Statistics about use of sandbox vs Draft space, and about Afc

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    A couple of statistical questions about where Wiki Ed students develop their articles, and their release process:

    1. Dev location: What number or percentage of students use a sandbox (theirs, anybody's) vs. Draft space for pre-release development?
    2. Release method: What number or percentage of articles developed by students are submitted for Afc review, vs. released directly to main space (either by themselves or someone else like their instructor or WP expert)? If there is a third category, such as remaining stalled in their sandbox, please include that as well if possible.

    This is to inform a question (diff) by Piotrus about the release of new articles by new editors which is a tiny part of a long VPP discussion unrelated to Wiki Ed about paid editing. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Mathglot (talk) 00:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Mathglot From the paper me and Shani are working on and that will be presented on Wikimania next week (do stop by :>):
    • Q15 Did the students work in drafts, directly on Wiki or using any other method?
    • A (N-~200): user sandbox (65%), copied to mainspace from Word (17%), directly in mainspace (5%), draftspace (~2.5%), other/I don't know/they can do whatever (~10%)
    PS. Do note that our study goes beyond Wiki Ed, and concerns all educators, not just those in US&Canada which is where Wiki Edu operates (although majority of our respondents come from US...).
    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I'd love to hear feedback from folks involved with Wiki Ed about this, as my impression from occasional interactions is that the percentage using user sandboxes is very high (basically, every case I have encountered, but numbers are low), likely because their training modules instruct them to do so, and some of the exercises begin to create data there. Whether they are actually developing their prospective articles in the user sandbox or copying into it from an offline location, I don't know. More solid data about this would help. Mathglot (talk) 17:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi Mathglot! It sounds like this is a question just about new articles written by students supported by Wiki Education? If so:
    1. Dev location: I'd say nearly 100% use sandboxes to draft first. Some may start in Word or Google Docs but they all copy it over to their sandbox at some point and add citations using VE's cite tool. If they *don't* draft in sandboxes, they typically don't have enough edits to be autoconfirmed so they technically cannot create one in mainspace in English Wikipedia.
    2. Release method: It's also close to 100% that go directly to mainspace. None of them go through AfC first (unless they somehow find it on their own -- we strip out the encouragement in their sandbox template to go through AfC, as our volume would overwhelm the AfC volunteers). Here are our training slides for creating new articles for students. For our process, our Dashboard creates a ticket each time a student creates a new article (this was one that broke this spring, causing us to not realize we weren't seeing all the new articles anymore for a few weeks; that's now fixed). Our Wiki Experts (Ian and Brianda) then take a look at the article; if it has problems, they'll move it back to the student's sandbox. Sometimes another Wikipedian will catch the article first and either move it to draft space or elsewhere, but that's not our typical process. At the end of the term, Ian and Brianda go through student work left in sandboxes and move anything that's ready for mainspace live; they leave half-formed drafts in sandboxes. If there's just minor cleanup needed, they'll also do that and then move it, but if the article draft would require substantive work we just leave it in the sandbox. I don't have a good sense of what percentage of the articles get left in sandboxes (many students start a topic and then abandon it to change to something else if they discover there aren't enough sources, for example, so will leave a few sentences behind on their old topic but will successfully add a different one).
    I'd also add here: Overwhelmingly, our students edit existing articles. In the most recent term (Spring 2024), our students created 426 new articles but edited 5,660 existing articles. So only about 7.5% of articles we're supporting edits to are new articles. Hope this helps! --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Deakin University medical anth course

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    Just a heads up that there is a Deakin University (Victoria) level 2 anthropology class with an assignment to find a contested topic and edit / contribute to a Wikipedia page from an anthropological perspective whilst adhering to the core content policies of the platform.. This is of course "contested topic" in the usual sense, not the WP:CTOP sense, but these editors may still run into some trouble. Alerted by WP:TEA#Contributing to an extended protection article - which is to say, so far I've only seen perfectly model editors from this class and no ongoing disruption. It's not being done through WikiEd, but maybe one of the WikiEd folks can contact the instructor to offer assistance for the future? I can't remember if Australia is one of the countries WikiEdu works with or not. -- asilvering (talk) 00:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Australia isn't in Wiki Education's support network, but pinging @BindiS, Aliceinthealice, and AlphaLemur: from Wikimedia Australia. --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks LiAnna and asilvering for flagging this. Will follow up, as this one is not on our radar at all. BindiS (talk) 10:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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