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Article name

I think the article name of "Wu (Ten Kingdoms)" is a bit bulky. Would there be any objections if I moved it to Southern Wu? --Nlu (talk) 20:41, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on whether Wu or Southern Wu is the more common name. I am not familiar with this issue. Please consider it. Thanks. --Pengyanan (talk) 23:21, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is actually something that I'd like an opinion on, then, from people who actually might have studied the subject in "greater China," I guess — which I haven't. Bo Yang, who is my main reference on this, used "Southern Wu," but I am not sure that his use is considered majority, or even plurality, opinion. Of the medieval "official" sources, the History of the Five Dynasties actually gave no "official" name at all. The New History of the Five Dynasties used simply "Wu," although the contemporary use of only the name of the regime itself has traditionally not prevented Chinese historians from adding in distinguishing characters to the names. (E.g., Cao Wei, Northern Wei, &c.) The Zizhi Tongjian used either "Hongnong" or "Wu" depending on the title of the ruler at the time, but also at times used "Huainan" (since Wu was originally Tang's Huainan Circuit). --Nlu (talk) 03:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was not moved per preferred English language term. --rgpk (comment) 23:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wu (Ten Kingdoms) → Southern Wu — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC) I initially opened a discussion about a year ago on this issue (see above), but only Pengyanan responded. It is still my opinion that "Wu (Ten Kingdoms)" is too bulky of a title. "Southern Wu" appears to have gotten some acceptance in the Chinese-speaking world, although it is also clear that it is not universally accepted. Another commonly used disambiguated name in the Chinese-speaking world is "Yang Wu" (since Wu's imperial house's name was Yang), which I can live with as well. Please discuss as to whether either of those would be acceptable new titles. --Nlu (talk) 17:37, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:Use English, you keep speaking of the Chinese-speaking world, what of the English-speaking world? 64.229.103.232 (talk) 05:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I see even less agreement there — but part of it is that this is a period of Chinese history that is very, very poorly covered in the English-speaking world. --Nlu (talk) 06:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I note that all the references given above are in Chinese, however both the references in the references section of the article are in English. http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Tang/rulers-wu.html (A German site in English) uses Wu; If that usage is widespread then the current article title could well be correct. WP:NC doesn't give any grounds for rejecting it as being too bulky a title, in fact that sort of argument is exactly what we do not encourage. No vote as yet. Andrewa (talk) 04:40, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A google Book Search yield 1200 results for "wu" "ten kingdoms". On the hand, the 315 hits for "southern wu" seem to be about a dialect of Wu Chinese. Perhaps Southern Wu should be a redirect to Wu_Chinese#Varieties, if appropriately covered in that section. ^walk victor falk^talk 14:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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References need checking

The article formerly used {note} format for its two internal references. I changed them to <ref> so that they'd behave as footnotes. Both cited the work of Mote, but it appears to me the second should instead cite Kurtz, whose work is listed in the "References" section. I'm not familiar with either author, so I'm not making that change, but I hope somebody with access those books will do so. The "References" section also lists a third authority (Ouyang Xiu, 2004), but it isn't cited within the article. Presumably it ought to be. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 18:52, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: move the pages as requested, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:33, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wu (Ten Kingdoms) → Yang Wu
Chu (Ten Kingdoms) → Ma Chu

– Per WP:Natural and the fact zh.wiki uses such titles. Here on en.wiki we use such formats for Cao Wei and Liu Song dynasty instead of Wei (Three Kingdoms) and Song (Northern and Southern Dynasties). Timmyshin (talk) 03:27, 25 June 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Mahveotm (talk) 10:46, 4 July 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 16:57, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This has been open over two weeks without any input. I have examined the rationale and it appears to be valid. zh:杨吴 does translate literally to Yang Wu. And zh:马楚 does translate literally to to Ma Chu. The (Ten Kingdoms) disambiguation is not very elegant either. However, it is unwise to base a page move entirely on a translation of the title of a Wikipedia article on another Wikipedia language edition. I will relist this for the second time in the hope that comments will be made, otherwise this is likely to remain unmoved with no consensus. I will inform some WikiProjects of the discussion to try and get some interest. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 16:57, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

-- Informed Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chinese history - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Former countries — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nominator's mentioned Cao Wei and Liu Song and WP:Natural. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 20:01, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support per nom. I think the "Ten Kingdoms" disambiguator is useful and elegant, but the argument to use an alternate historical name for disambiguation is valid. power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:21, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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