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July 11

How to link to a different language wiki in the "website" field of "cite website?"

This works: <ref>{{cite web |last1=Washington |first1=George |title=Revolutionary War Begins |url=https://example.com |website=[[The Pennsylvania Gazette]]}}</ref> (example)

ie. putting wikilinks like website=[[The Pennsylvania Gazette]] in the cite web website field

But this does not:

<ref>{{cite web |last1=Washington |first1=George |title=Revolutionary War Begins |url=https://example.com |website=[[zh:公报_(宾夕法尼亚)]]}}</ref> (example)

but this does generally does work on mainspace pages: [[zh:公报_(宾夕法尼亚)]] zh:公报_(宾夕法尼亚)

This is especially important when citing WP:NOENG, so that readers can find more information about the source being cited as they are probably not familiar with it. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

{{cite web |last1=Washington |first1=George |title=Revolutionary War Begins |url=https://example.com |script-website=zh:[[:zh:公报_(宾夕法尼亚)|公报_(宾夕法尼亚)]]}}

Washington, George. "Revolutionary War Begins". 公报_(宾夕法尼亚).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 07:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 07:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@J2UDY7r00CRjH: Wikipedia is not a reliable source and so should not be cited at all. See WP:CIRCULAR. Bazza 7 (talk) 08:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I think they were talking about adding wikilinks to sources that have their own Wikipedia pages. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

References

2024-25 Pittsburgh Penguins season page.

There is an issue in the Roster section of this page. A Penguins' goaltender, Tristan Jarry, is not listed on the roster. But, if you go to edit that section, his name & corresponding info do show up in the "source editing" format. I cannot figure out how to get his name & info to reappear in the Roster section. Please help? SummeRStorM79 (talk) 09:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi SummeRStorM79 I have "mended" it by removing the hidden text formatting (<!-- -->) from around his name on the edit page. I note that there are a number of other names on the edit page in similar formatting - so the whole sub-page needs checking, but I know nothing about the Pittsburgh Penguins. Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 09:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

{{Pittsburgh Penguins roster}} has a reference to the roster on the official NHL site [1]. Tristan Jarry is there but not Jack St. Ivany so I commented him out.[2] He is on the roster of the affiliated Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins as a prospect for the Pittsburgh Penguins. He might make the main team later so I didn't remove him completely. The displayed players on the template now match the NHL roster. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Arjayay & PrimeHunter, thanks so much for your actions, input, & time spent getting back to me. Despite being an editor for about 7 years, I still have much to learn, so it's very cool to have friendly & helpful editors like you 2 graciously lend a helping hand. I appreciate you both! =) SummeRStorM79 (talk) 15:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

access to editing area

Hi, where can one edit text in Panchaloha#See also please? Spicemix (talk) 14:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Spicemix: All links in that section currently use {{annotated link}} which automatically displays a short description stored in the target page. Short descriptions are displayed in many other places. I guess you only want to change what is displayed at Panchaloha#See also. You can omit {{annotated link}} and write your own link and description, e.g. changing {{annotated link|Brass}} to [[Brass]] – Copper-zinc alloy, or whatever you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Spicemix (talk) 15:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Next to the Section title 'See also' you should see '[edit]' (I do), where the word is a bluelink to open the editing window. However, you have been editing long enough that you should surely have known this, so I suspect you are encountering a problem I cannot see. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 15:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Please see reply above. Spicemix (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Entries on disambiguation pages

Wikipedia has an article Eugene Gardner, starting "Milton Eugene Gardner". It wasn't listed at Gardner (surname), so I added it. Should I have put it in the "E" section, the "M" section, or both? Maproom (talk) 15:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Good question. I looked and con't find guidance for this exact scenario. Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards comes closeest I guess. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Although the article Eugene Gardner is about somebody who seems noteworthy, it's very feeble. At first glance it has just two sources. But one of these is a mere list entry for "Milton Eugene Gardner", so effectively the article has just a single source. This sole source is titled "Milton E. Gardner" and repeatedly refers to the man as "Milton". Very possibly "Eugene Gardner" is the best title for the article, but if so the article provides no evidence for this. If the current title is indeed the best choice, put him under "E". If, as I suspect, it is not, then first move the article accordingly and then put him under "M". -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Using ChatGPT for proofreading

I sometimes use ChatGPT for proofreading my edits, particularly new articles. I submit my text and ask it to "revise it, highlighting any changes in bold." Is that a problem, and should I disclose it anywhere? Amayorov (talk) 16:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please read and carefully consider WP:LLM, in particular § Disclosure: Every edit that incorporates LLM output should be marked as LLM-assisted by identifying the name and, if possible, version of the AI in the edit summary. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 03:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

This is very helpful, thanks a lot! I'll be using more primitive tools, such as the Free Online Grammar Checker, then. Amayorov (talk) 09:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

How to request a move?

So I put in a move request for moving Lenna to Lena, it's currently sitting at the bottom of Talk:Lenna. Did I do it right, or is there a specific protocol to follow? guninvalid (talk) 16:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

guninvalid, the process is at Wikipedia:Requested moves. You need to show that Lena is the WP:COMMONNAME rather than Lenna. Also Lena is a WP:DISAMBIGUATION page, so you could either

• request a move of Lenna to Lena and of Lena to Lena (disambiguation) if the test image is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC or
• request a move of Lenna to Lena (test image). TSventon (talk) 17:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed Account

When will my account be "autoconfirmed" so I can move article from Sandbox to Wikipedia? Mlondon101 (talk) 20:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Your account needs to be four days old and have at least ten edits per WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 20:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Why the rush, Mlondon101? You'd be better off ensuring that the main text of User:Mlondon101/sandbox is stripped of external links, and that what the draft says is backed up with references to reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary because I got ants in my pants! But, I'll look into those edits. Mlondon101 (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

No signatures for sports biographies?

Why isn't there any template data for adding signatures to sports biography articles? Athletes very often do so, yet, it can’t be added to improve the articles. Why so? Roasted (talk) 22:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Roastedbeanz1. You can find some general guidance at Wikipedia:Signatures of living persons. There are some special concerns about signatures of living people. Cullen328 (talk) 23:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Please

I want to read 67.5.97.117 (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Cullen328 (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

July 12

Request Category Removal For A Wikipedia Article

The Lipan Apache Tribe of Texas Wikipedia article has two incorrect categories listed on the page that need to be removed:

1) American People Who self-identify as being of Lipan Apache Descent

2) Unrecognized Tribes in the United States.

The page itself says at the top they are a state recognized tribe. Can someone remove those categories from the page?

Thank you Whitewolfdog1 (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

The page doesn't seem to be protected, I suggest you WP:BOLDLY remove those categories if there is no source for them on the page. Or you can leave an a comment on the talk page. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 01:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. I'll go ahead and do that then.

Are there any special instructions for deleting categories? Whitewolfdog1 (talk) 02:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Click on the edit button at the top of the page. Scroll down to the very bottom where you will see a list of categories of the form

[[Category: category name]]

Delete the categories whose categorization is not sourced in the references of the article or that are directly contradicted by the references in the article. In the edit summary, give a short description of why you made the change and be sure to mention that you believe the article has not given a source for the claimed categorization given by the categories you are removing. Eg: "removed category x, no source for the claim that article y is in category x." If you check back later and find that someone reverted your changes, go to the talk page of the article and give a longer explanation of your view. Be sure to inform the person that reverted it by using the formula @[[User:UserWhoRevertedYou|UserWhoRevertedYou]] eg. @[[User:Whitewolfdog1|Whitewolfdog1]] which will look like @Whitewolfdog1. If nobody responds to your point after one day then you can change it back to what you believe is appropriate. Most likely this will not be necessary but it may be useful here or in future edits you make. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! This is all very useful information.

Happy editing :) Whitewolfdog1 (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Whitewolfdog1 I have queried whether the Lipan Apache Tribe of Texas are a state recognized tribe on the article talk page as the article seems to contradict itself. TSventon (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Editors affiliated with the Lipan Apache Tribe of Texas have used Wikipedia from promotion for years (for example, these folk). I am beyond sick of trying to keep up with it all and trying to convince editors to stick to secondary, published citations (right now there's a Facebook post as a citation). I answered on the talk page. There is widespread misunderstanding and misinformation about state recognition. The only entity at this point who can assert state recognition for a Texas tribe would be the State of Texas itself. There was a recent proposed bill to state-recognized the LATT; however, the bill died in committee in 2023. Any fresh, non-involved eyes on this and related articles would be beyond welcome. Yuchitown (talk) 00:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Convention for romanization of author names from foreign language sources? [Resolved]

Resolved

I can see that we have {{citation}} parameters for the translations of titles, chapters and quotations of non-english for instance:

|title=Tōkyō tawā |script-title=ja:東京タワー |trans-title=Tokyo Tower 

However I cannot see the equivalent parameter for author names. e.g:

|script-last1=ko:홍 |trans-last1=Hong |script-first1=ko:이섭 |trans-first1=Yi-Seop

Therefore, how are these situations best handled? Is there a MOS?

Example approaches I can think of:

• Romanized: Hong, Yi-Seop (2011) [1971]. 세종대왕 [Sejong the Great] (in Korean) (9th ed.). Seoul [서울]: Sejong the Great Memorial Society [세종대왕기념사업회]. ISBN 978-89-8275-660-3.
• Original script: 홍, 이섭 (2011) [1971]. 세종대왕 [Sejong the Great] (in Korean) (9th ed.). Seoul [서울]: Sejong the Great Memorial Society [세종대왕기념사업회]. ISBN 978-89-8275-660-3.
• Both using first and last fields: Hong [홍], Yi-Seop [이섭] (2011) [1971]. 세종대왕 [Sejong the Great] (in Korean) (9th ed.). Seoul [서울]: Sejong the Great Memorial Society [세종대왕기념사업회]. ISBN 978-89-8275-660-3.
• Both using author field: Hong Yi-Seop [홍이섭] (2011) [1971]. 세종대왕 [Sejong the Great] (in Korean) (9th ed.). Seoul [서울]: Sejong the Great Memorial Society [세종대왕기념사업회]. ISBN 978-89-8275-660-3.

Ideally, I think we should provide both to broaden SEO in both languages... but there doesn't seem to be a "clean" way of doing this? Or is there? In the absence of being able to do both via different parameters, is there any community consensus on how to best approach this? Any advice appreciated. Nonabelian (talk) 07:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Can't see a parameter for that either. I took a brief look at Korea-related FA's and most of the Korean authors only had their names' romanizations listed. WP:MOSKOREA seems to imply romanized spellings are preferred in most places. Per WP:CITEVAR though, you should use whatever style the rest of the article uses. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 08:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, WP:CITEVAR seems to imply there is some discretion. I through I remember reading somewhere that for GA/FA articles, references should be provided either in date order (preferred for science) or alphabetical order (preferred for history)? Maybe I'm imagining things, but clearly romanized references would be easier to order alphabetically. Would it be the {{citation}} talk page that the time, effort and need for paramenters like |script-author1= |script-last1= |script-first1= etc. would be discussed and considered by the community? Nonabelian (talk) 07:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

That talk page should be a good place to start, yes. I'm not quite sure what you mean by the order of references, as they are usually ordered by where they appear in the article. Unless you're talking about a WP:GENREF section, in which case I agree romanized spellings should be easier for English-speaking editors to work with. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 08:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again. Yes, for instance on this article here on Augustus citations are in order of appearance but the references themselves are listed alphabetically. Nonabelian (talk) 09:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Nonabelian and HansVonStuttgart, the most recent major conversation we had about this problem was last November at Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 92 § Proposed script-author parameter. I participated.

Although no technical changes were implemented, it's been enough time that another conversation on the topic wouldn't be unwarranted.

I remember my citation style following that discussion changing to |last= Romanised surname|first=Romanised forename|author-mask=Romanised Name (Full Native Name). This was recommended as "best practice", but |author-mask= is clunky and requires incorporating punctuation literals when multiple authors are attributed.

Best, Folly Mox (talk) 14:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

requires incorporating punctuation literals when multiple authors are attributed. You should not be including the names of multiple authors in |author-maskn= Each name gets its own mask.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Company profile

How can I add my company profile on this website 197.156.107.12 (talk) 08:10, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

You cannot. Wikipedia does not host company profiles. Your company's website is the right place for its profile. -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

PS Whether you're an employee, the boss, or an intern, please read Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 10:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not confirmed

Hi, I have met the criteria for autoconfirmed status (my account is 5 days old and I have made more than 10 edits), but I am still not listed as autoconfirmed. Could someone please help me understand why this is the case and what I can do to resolve it? Thank you! ~~~~ Thyme4563 (talk) 15:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thyme4563, your account was created on July 9th, and today is 12th. Even allowing for time zone differences, that can't be 5 days. Maproom (talk) 15:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Ohh i must have misread my info Thyme4563 (talk) 15:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

You have 18 edits, so about 2 more days and you will be autoconfirmed, if I did the math right. -- ThatOneWolf (^Chat_Edits 15:27, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

... or indeffed for promotion, in this case (see two sections below). Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Unable to make any edits

I'm unable to make any edits or additions to Wikipedia if the source originates from Republic World. Here is the website link: https://www.republicworld.com/" Let me know if there's anything else you need help with! RBangla (talk) 15:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@RBangla. That is correct. Republic World has been shown to fabricate quotes, fake news, and hoaxes. See here for more details. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

I want to be confirmed

I have ten edits and my account is only 3 days old and its about to be 4 so and i also need to upload an image for my page. Can you confirm me? Thyme4563 (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

You can request this at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Confirmed. DonIago (talk) 15:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

If you are talking about Draft:Aoban, please don't waste your or our time trying to upload images to it. Even if they are acceptable with regard to copyright (and the images that beginners try to add are very often not acceptable, because they often do not spend any time learning about Wikipedia before trying to add them) they will add absolutely nothing to a piece of unsourced advertising which will shortly be deleted.

I always advise new editors to not even think about trying to create an article before they have spent some weeks or months practising editing and learning how Wikipedia works. This is even more true of editors with a conflict of interest.

Please read what Wikipedia is not very carefully, especially WP:NOTPROMO.

The only circumstances in which Wikipedia might possibly accept an article about Aoban is if the article were entirely based on what people wholly unconnected with Aoban had chosen to publish about it in reliable sources. Your knowledge of Aoban is of no use whatever in creating an article about it, and nor is anything written, published, or commissioned by Aoban or its associates. (which is one of the reasons why editing with a conflict of interest is difficult). ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thyme4563, your (deleted) draft tells me We are working on the Aoban Movie. We are? I am? If so, then where is my paycheck, Thyme4563? -- Hoary (talk) 07:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Can't add interlanguage link

I have made more than 50 edits and this account has been around for quite a long time (definitely more than 4 days). When I try to add a language, it says I can't because the page is semi-protected. It keeps saying that the account has to be created for longer than 4 days and have 50 edits. Can you help me? Jusoengpp07 (talk) 17:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jusoengpp07: Interlanguage links are added at Wikidata where you only have two edits: wikidata:Special:Contributions/Jusoengpp07. If you link the pages you are trying to connect then we can probably do it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I just want to link this page​ to the English version of Artificial intelligence because It's not currently available in my native language yet. Jusoengpp07 (talk) 19:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

And this one too if that's possible. Jusoengpp07 (talk) 19:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jusoengpp07: I have connected km:បញ្ញាសិប្បនិម្មិត to artificial intelligence (Q11660), and km:ធរណីវិទ្យា to geology (Q1069). The Khmer articles now have interlanguage links to all articles in those Wikidata items. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much Jusoengpp07 (talk) 19:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

No stashed content found

What does this mean? and how do I fix it. Wiki won't publish my content. Chalco48 (talk) 17:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

This means the editing interface has been open too long and the cache has been cleared on Wikipedia's server. If you can copy your content, and paste it into a freshly opened editor in a separate tab, you can save your work and publish your changes.

To avoid this in the future, it's best to try to publish your changes frequently. I prefer to limit myself to twenty minutes between publishing, and don't encounter this error anymore. Folly Mox (talk) 17:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

This only ever seems to happen in the visual editor. I've never seen the problem in the source editor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

I've done it with the source editor. I think I left it open overnight, but it could have been as brief as two hours (it was last year). We probably have sampling bias in play, since the people most likely to experience and report this issue are newer editors, who are significantly more likely to use the Visual Editor. Folly Mox (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Vector reference popups are broken

Reference popups on Vector (?useskin=vector) now have huge text, bigger than page text. Maybe this is because of the font increase in the new skin. It looks broken. 78.3.197.2 (talk) 18:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

It's discussed at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js#Update request 9 July 2024. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Tyvm, good I'm not the only one who said something. 78.3.197.2 (talk) 19:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, please can you explain why my long held wikipedia entry has been deleted? Thanks

Leela Floyd Meedper (talk) 19:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Meedper The article was deleted in 2022 after this discussion. As in many cases, the issue was that the sources did not demonstrate notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Meedper, an article with that title was deleted in December 2022, following this discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leela Floyd. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Meedper: please dont edit archived, closed dicussions. They are kept for the sake of transparency and editing them after the fact undermines that. -- D'n'B-t -- 21:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Meedper, Notability in terms of editing Wikipedia does not mean importance; rather it means "enough about this subject has been published (in reliable sources) on which to base a properly cited Wikipedia article."

If enough has been published about you, personally, to demonstrate your notability, then someone could (re-)create an article about you titled Leela Floyd, but the 2022 Deletion discussion did not find enough material. Note also that Wikipedia:Autobiography is strongly discouraged here because it is very, very difficult for an individual to write about themselves with the necessary detachment and neutrality.

It is more likely that material could be found to validly create an article about your book titled Indian Music (textbook) or similar (red because there isn't one yet).

If you can, in this thread, give us links to and/or bibliographic details of at least three pieces of substantial length, written by people unconnected with you and published in WP:Reliable sources, that discuss the book, someone might well be willing to create an article about it. Possible sources would include contemporary reviews in reputable music, educational and other journals and periodicals, newspaper reports (have you kept cuttings?), paragraphs in books about music education, and so on.

What gets recorded for posterity (and can therefore be used as a Wikipedia source) is sometimes chancy, but Wikipedia insists on using published (and independent) material only in order to uphold its fundamental policy of WP:Verifiability. Hope this helps {The poster forrmerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 08:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Using pdf of newspaper articles which aren't in established archives

I have several newspaper cuttings from many years past that I would like to use as citation references in my article, but they haven't been archived by the publishers (Bristol Evening Post being one of them). I have original cuttings which I have digitised, can I use a pdf of any cutting as a citation? I can provide copyright details and date of publication. As these are from published newspapers am I right in thinking they are in the public domain, as long as I credit where they come from? Jjarchivist (talk) 22:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

It would depend on the copyright law of where the newspapers originated from. Based on doing a mini search, the Bristol Post is a United Kingdom newspapers. I'm not sure when Bristol Evening Post changed it name to Bristol Post but I believe they are the same thing. I would suggest researching the copyright laws in the United Kingdom and/or reach out to the publication company to see if they are fine of having old newspapers uploaded to the Internet Archive and cite them here. Soafy234 (talk) 23:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources do not have to be online.

The important parts of a citations are bibliographic information such as author, title, date, publication, page number (if available): a link is a convenience for the reader or reviewer, not an essential part of the citation. It follows that if you have only hard copies, you can still cite them - as long as you have the publication, date, etc. There is no need to upload the cutting (which in many cases would be a copyright violation anyway).

No, your cuttings are not in the public domain, unless you can positively show that there is a reason why - age is one possible reason. See WP:Public domain. ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

July 13

Family categories

I was creating a category for the acting/politics family, Category:Lapid family (Philippines), and I am wondering, do you add the films that one member of the family starred into the category? And do you add the positions that one member of the family held? All answers will be appreciated.

Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 02:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Citation needed within article?

An editor removed a "Citation needed" template from Faye Dunaway#1967–1968: Early films and breakthrough with the edit summary "Already indexed right here on Wiki". The content in question is "Preminger's film did not meet critical or box-office success, but Dunaway retained notice enough to earn a Golden Globe Award nomination for New Star of the Year."

I assume that Wikipedia:Verifiability means that verification should appear in the article in which the content appears -- not just somewhere on Wikipedia. Am i wrong in that assumption? Eddie Blick (talk) 03:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Teblick: you are correct: Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source for itself. The citation(s) must be copied from those other articles into this article. Please assume good faith (WP:AGF) and work together with the other editor to replace the "Citation needed" template with the appropriate citations(s) from the other articles. The article's talk page is a good place to collaborate. -Arch dude (talk) 04:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Arch dude. I appreciate that advice. Eddie Blick (talk) 21:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

New user playing with multiple accounts

Should I have reported <this situation> (userlist) to some admin or is an {{uw-agf-sock}} warning enough as I have done? Not that I expect to run into exactly this situation again - and posting about it here already brings awareness in this case.

These clearly violate the socking policy, I only warned because they have not edited outside userspace. – 2804:F1...BC:2770 (talk) 03:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Bare URL and dead link.

I've recently been trying to expand bare referances. One issue I've come across is articles with permanantly dead bare links. I've seen some editors label these "dead link" and others with "bare url". Should these links be tagged as dead, bare, or both? In case I wasn't clear, here is an example of a page with this issue. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 04:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath Bare URLs are really only fixable if the link is not dead yet, so tagging it after the fact isn't helpful. So I think it would be better practice to tag as just dead. It's probably not worth making edits to fix though. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 05:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay thanks. That was my thought as well but wanted to double check. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 05:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath, the logical next step in a case like this is to carry out a competent internet search in attempt to verify the poorly referenced assertion. If you discover a reliable source, then use it to create a new reference to replace the dead links that are so common with bare URLs. Cullen328 (talk) 07:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

{{dead link}} is helpful; {{bare url}} is harmful. {{bare url}} will often induce bots and incautious editors with imperfect citation scripts to come round and garble the reference, leaving it with a source free of any maintenance tags where the full citation information amounts to |title=Page not found|website=ema.europa.eu or similar. Folly Mox (talk) 14:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

There was a big ol' fight about this a few years back. Folly Mox (talk) 14:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply it makes a lot of sense. I'm currently using the cleanup listing to find the bare URLs so once it updates I'll replace the bare url templates with dead link templates and see what I can find as far as alternative sources. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 17:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath: I think "step zero" is to try to see if the URL was archived. If so, build a citation from the archived copy. -Arch dude (talk) 15:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I do usually check however I was specifically reffering to links that aren't archived. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

How do i change the font size?

How do i change the font size? 2601:98A:4102:5AC0:35A8:51D6:3FDF:D2F4 (talk) 09:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Click the glasses icon at top of pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

How to reverse a redirect?

Currently, Turbinate reduction surgery redirects to Turbinectomy. I would like to reverse the redirect: rename Turbinectomy to Turbinate reduction surgery, and have Turbinectomy point to it instead. The reasons for the move are outlined here.

How should I go about doing this? Do I need to delete Turbinate reduction surgery first? Amayorov (talk) 11:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Isn't turbinectomy the more common term? Doug butler (talk) 14:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

The more common term for one of the two surgeries, according to the sources quoted on the linked talkpage.

I feel like this might be able to be accomplished by a round-robin move by someone with pagemover rights (Turbinate reduction surgery → Turbinoplasty without leaving a redirect, Turbinectomy → Turbinate reduction surgery), but I'm not sure if the history of the redirect Turbinate reduction surgery is considered trivial enough, and the move may require admin rights. Assuming in any case consensus is reached for the rename. Folly Mox (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I've outlined the reasons for the move here. Generally, Turbinectomy and Turbinoplasty are considered different procedures. Both of them fall under Turbinate reduction surgery. Amayorov (talk) 18:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Amayorov, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have done the right thing by opening a discussion; but you should wait several days for input from other people knoweldgeable about the subject before going ahead. If nobody replies in, say, a week, you can take that as acceptance.

When the time comes, you can request the move at WP:RM. ColinFine (talk) 15:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

wikipedia's search engine

I am curious about the ordering of results from Wikipedia's internal search engine. (1) Is its algorithm described somewhere? (2) Where might one send comments on the algorithm? Mdmi (talk) 13:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Usually the results come back ordered by pageview, although I don't remember this being documented anywhere. For the factors used to determine which autocomplete suggestions to display, there's fairly good details at mw:Extension:CirrusSearch/CompletionSuggester. The main help page for the search engine is at mw:Help:CirrusSearch. The whole codebase is open source, so if you're comp sci enough you might be interested in the GitHub repo. In terms of reaching the devs, they'll see bug reports at phab:tag/mediawiki-search, but I'm not sure where general feedback would be best received. What are your comments specifically? Perhaps we can figure out how best to get in touch, or even solve your problem directly with additional information. Folly Mox (talk) 14:20, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh right I forgot the main thrust of the question. You might find :mw:Help:CirrusSearch § Explicit sort orders an informative read. Folly Mox (talk) 14:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from Googolplexus

I have noticed some vandalism at Cockatoo, Victoria. Namely, a bunch of different IP addresses keep adding something about 'Gryphen's Bachelor Pad' to this article and surrounding areas like Emerald, Victoria. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? I reverted the latest vandalism myself but they keep coming back so I was wondering if there was a way to get them to stop doing it - though it comes from different IPs a lot of the time so I'm not sure. Thank you, Googolplexus (talk) 16:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Googolplexus. I do not think the vandalism is frequent enough to justify semi-protection. Just keep an eye on the articles. Perhaps an edit filter might be useful. Cullen328 (talk) 18:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Alright, thank you Googolplexus (talk) 18:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Revising move request statement after the fact

What is the correct protocol for revising a move request statement after the fact at Talk:Disagreement (disambiguation)? --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Jax 0677, unless you're making a major change like altering the suggested move target, you can edit the statement like you would any other talkpage post: surround the text you're removing with <del>...</del>, place the new text you're adding inside {{ins}}, and add a second timestamp to your original signature like edited ~~~~~. Guidance at WP:REDACT. Folly Mox (talk) 14:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Infobox parameter -- display as link

I would like an infobox parameter to display as a link. An example of this may be found at, say, the infobox in the wikipedia page for Oxford, UK: Oxford wherein the parameter "Demonym" appears in the infobox as a link. What is the standard way to do this? Neither the "Edit Source" on that wikipedia page, nor the relevant Infobox Template page Template:Infobox settlement seem to give any clue on how this should be done. Jriley (talk) 19:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

|population_demonym=[[Oxonian]] did not work for you?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Trappist. Your code might work, but I don't see the double brackets on the Edit Source page. All I see for that line is:

| population_demonym = Oxonian

... and it's the bit of code that tells the wp server to serve up the parameter's corresponding value as a link that I would like to use. Jriley (talk) 19:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you try: |population_demonym=Oxonian → |population_demonym=[[Oxonian]]? Do the change manually or there is a 'magic button' in the source editor header that looks like a pair of chain links. Highlight 'Oxonian' and click the magic button. Choose the destination that you want and click the 'Insert link' button.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again Trappist. It's the parameter ("Demonym") I need to show as a link, not the value ("Oxonian"). This would mean something like:

| [[Demonym|population_demonym]] = Oxonian

... which breaks the infobox. Jriley (talk) 19:59, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

At Oxford, the label 'Demonym' is linked to Demonym so what you are really asking eludes me.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

You cannot control how the parameter names are displayed in an infobox, (unless there are other parameters to allow you to). They are coded in the template itself. You would need to edit the template (and possibly an underlying module) to get the parameter name to display as a wikilink. ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think Jriley wants to introduce a link on a currently unlinked secret field label of a secret infobox on a secret page. I don't know why so many posters insist on keeping it super secret from helpers what they actually want help with but it's very annoying and wastes a huge amount of time. It's the infobox template itself and not the caller which controls both the text and any link on the infobox labels in the left column. The caller only controls the value in the right column. A few infoboxes have additional parameters to control the label of one or a few of their normal parameters. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou Trappist and ColinFine. I had a look at the infobox template page, and could see nothing there indicating how the parameter entry shows as a link on the wp page. I suspect indeed there is an underlying module as you suggest Colin. Jriley (talk) 22:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

At {{Infobox settlement}}, the linking of the label 'Demonym' is handled by this markup:

| label103 = {{Pluralize from text|{{if empty|{{{population_demonym|}}}|{{{population_demonyms|}}}{{force plural}}}}|link=Demonym|singular=Demonym|likely=Demonym(s)|plural=Demonyms}}

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Trappist :) Jriley (talk) 22:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Can I change the title of my submitted draft while not being an autoconfirmed user?

Recently, I submitted my article draft for review, but after doing so, realized that the title of my article was still User:MY NAME/Sandbox. Is there any way to change this or will it be removed if my article is accepted to publish? I am not an autoconfirmed user so I think this might make the process harder. Henry Trevithick (talk) 19:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Henry Trevithick, I have moved page User:Henry Trevithick/sandbox to Draft:Health effects of ultra-processed foods as article titles generally use sentence case. Usually drafts don't get reviewed immediately and someone will move them from sandbox to draftspace if necessary. TSventon (talk) 20:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. That is perfect. Henry Trevithick (talk) 16:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

United States shootings

I wanted to know the statistics for the number of people who got shot in the three major cities: New York City, Los Angeles and Chicago on the 4th of July 2024? It strikes me so sad that Independence Day has become a holiday of so much violence!

Thank you for your efforts to respond in advance. GW 2601:240:D981:79D0:202E:A778:4FA8:1C6B (talk) 20:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

GW, you can try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Our article on 2024 Fourth of July shootings is in pretty bad shape, but looks like it has the answer for Chicago, at least. —Cryptic 14:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

How do I get the page open to type in code for my job to see screen

How do I get the page open to type in code for my job to see screen Tamishelton (talk) 21:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tamishelton I have placed a welcome message on your user talk page which should give you the answer you seek 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

what rights to remove a page from *someone else's* watchlist?

Just curious, what level of "mop bucket" is required to have the ability to remove page from a users watchlist. Do administrators or bureaucrats have that ability or would it take office action? (I know it seems silly, but I once actually had a new user indicate that someone should remove a page that this user "owned" (since they worked for the group) from my watchlist). Is this a WP:VPT question?Naraht (talk) 21:03, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

According to Help:Watchlist#Privacy, No other user, not even administrators, can tell what is in your watchlist, or who is watching any particular page. Publicly available database dumps do not include this information either. However, developers who have access to the servers that hold the Wikipedia database can obtain this information. TSventon (talk) 21:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Making a map of the BERTS

Hello, can we request that we make a map of BERTS, a canceled project in Bangkok, Thailand, and get some sources to make a map? See the map on FB post: [3] Jussie2024 (talk) 22:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Bangkok Elevated Road and Train System (to which BERTS redirects). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 09:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

It is relatively unlikely that you will find anybody here who will be interested in doing that. You could certainly ask at the WP:Graphics Lab/Map workshop. But I would guess that while people there may be interested in helping you create a map, they will not be willing to spend the time finding the resources, and will expect you to do that. (I may be wrong, of course). ColinFine (talk) 11:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Sending a Photo for a page

Hello… My name is MELI’SA MORGAN the R&B singer. I would like to send a photo for you to use on my Wikipedia page. As you have no photo on my Meli’sa Morgan page.

I tried to upload in editing but it would not save it? Please let me know how to send the photo to be added to my Wikipedia page.

Thank you. JOYCEMM12 (talk) 22:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

JOYCEMM12 see Wikipedia:File upload wizard for instructions on uploading files. Note, all uploaded photos must have a Creative Commons (or the like) license, or be uploaded under fair use. Once the file is uploaded, see Help:Pictures for instructions on inserting it into Meli'sa Morgan. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 09:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Meli'sa. While Sungodtemple's answer is correct, I don't think it is as helpful as it might be.

There are two issues. The more important, from Wikipedia's point of view, is that of conflict of interest: in general you should not be directly editing the artilce Meli'sa Morgan yourself, but instead should raise edit requests on the article's talk page. Having said that, inserting an image is probably OK; but (for example) replacing an existing image with another one would probably not be: it would be up to uninvolved editors, not to you, to decide which is the most fitting image of those available.

Secondly, there is the image itself. Wikipedia is very careful about copyright. For an article about a living person, the only permissible photo is one that has been explicitly licensed with a permissive licence such as WP:CC-BY-SA by the copyright owner (who is not usually the subject).

So, if you have a photo where you own the copyright (either because you took it yourself, or because the photographer has specifically assigned you the copyright) then you may upload it, and declare in doing so that you are the copyright owner, and you are releasing it under a suitable licence. (Be aware that in doing so, you are granting an irrevocable licence to anybody in the world to reuse and alter the photo, as long as they attribute its source).

If you do not own the copyright, then you will need the owner to either upload it as I have explained, or to explicitly license it: see donating copyright materials. ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

July 14

I'm a incorporated land group consultant.

I used to assist all Papua 🇵🇬 new guinea tribes and clans to register their customary lands Tobe title by the national government. I draft their geology and family trees and,16 requirement.and search their customary lands and colonial history from the national archives office in port moresby headquarters . Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:9F40:B5:EA3F:0:0:0:1 (talk) 10:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, did you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Qcne (talk) 11:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Activity on draft

Draft:Thomas Robert Swift (neurologist)

After a very speedy rejection, followed by me making the requested changes, no new activity has occurred for several days. Could someone check on this, please?

Thank you,

John Henson Jhenson1 (talk) 11:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

You submitted it again, three days ago. At the top, it says "This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order." Please be patient.

While you are waiting, I strongly suggest that you read WP:REFB, and format all your bare URLs as proper citations: it wouldn't surprise me if that is one of the reasons why no reviewer has picked up your draft again.

I would advise also looking critically at each of your sources, and checking that it meets all three of the criteria in 42: reliability, independence, and significant coverage of the subject. I suspect very few of them do so. ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jhenson1 it is a hard requirement that biographies of living people have in-line citations after every statement. Currently most of your draft is uncited. I have declined it on this basis. Please see the tutorial at WP:INTREFVE to add in-line citations throughout.

The key thing is, however, does Thomas meet our notability criteria at WP:NACADEMIC? If not, he does not merit an article. If you think he does, you need to prove that through the use of sources. Qcne (talk) 12:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Quote from the draft: "He is a scribbler of verse and is known for extemporaneous singing, leading to the following unpublished rhyme by his son, Andrew.

There is a doctor named Tom

He can dance and sign with aplomb

With the verve of a dervish

He doctors the nervish

When perplexed he bursts into song"

How on earth is this notable? I'm also worried about WP:COI and WP:BOSS here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Name can't be changed because old name already exists?

A soccer club I follow and frequently contribute to had a temporary name change last season after going bankrupt. It has acquired the original name again, but I can't switch the page back to that original name because the original article already exists and redirects to the newer one. It gives me an error because the article already exists.

For reference the original article/page it needs to be is "Reggina", the current article is set to "LFA Reggio Calabria" which is no longer the name of the club. Haberdasher (talk) 13:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

The page you're looking for is WP:Requested moves/Technical requests. —Cryptic 14:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Invisible comments

I'm working on The God Who Riots and noticed some invisible text indicating why a category was added. I haven't done much with invisible text and based on my reading of WP:HIDDEN and WP:COMMENT these comments seem unnecessary. Would it be inappropriate to remove the hidden comments as clutter? It seems obvious that a category would be a topic covered in the book and if that isn't obvious then it could have been clarified in the edit summary. Is it common practice to add comments explaining why categories have been added? TipsyElephant (talk) 17:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: It's definitely not common practice to add a commentary to explain the addition of categories to an article, specially when they don't appear to be controversial. Removing them should be fine, though you can always message the editor who first added them to ask why they did so. Isabelle Belato ^🏳‍🌈 19:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

How do I delete my draft article I’ve abandoned?

Deleting a draft Sylvan1971 (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sylvan1971. Place the {{db-g7}} template at the top of the draft. Qcne (talk) 19:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Reliability

Hi,

I wanted to ask whether if Publications (books) without ISBN or for who ISBN are not available are reliable or not for citing as a source in a article in Wikipedia ?

Example:-

https://books.google.com.pk/books/about/Defending_Kashmir.html?id=TR7SAAAAIAAJ&redir_esc=y (Snippet only, Google Books)

https://archive.org/details/DefendingKashmir/page/n73/mode/2up?q=Faqir (totally accessible, From Wayback machine)

A Publication by the Government of India Rahim231 (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rahim231: The ISBN was invented in 1970. Your example book was published in 1949. Presence of an ISBN is not evidence of reliability. Absence of an ISBN is not evidenced of unreliability, even for a book published after 1970. -Arch dude (talk) 20:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Cant find page i wrote

I cannot find the page that I wrote on Metamorkid today. Where did it go? Oskarzqt (talk) 20:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@Oskarzqt: You "created" the page by overwriting an existing redirect page. Your additions ware reverted, making the page back into a redirect. Please look at the edit history of Metamorkid to see what happened. you work is still preserved in the page history. Please open a discussion with the editor who reverted your work. -Arch dude (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Oskarzqt. Editor @Another Believer changed the article to a redirect page, with the comment "New article does not demonstrate notability".

You can open a discussion on the talk page of the target article, Talk: Drag Race Germany: remember to ping Another Believer.

To be honest, this is the sort of frustrating thing that happens to new editors when they jump straight into the very challenging task of creating a new article before they have understood much about how Wikipedia works. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.. ColinFine (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I see the page has been restored. I'm all for more articles about drag queens, but this article does not come close to demonstrating notability. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)